I can't wait until they fix this. Make it so anyone who leaves a FATE before it's completion gets no reward for it.
I'm sick and tired of trying to level my DRG everyone's fighting the big boss of the moment, when all of a sudden it's just me, the tank, and maybe 2-3 other DPS. Everyone has all run off the next FATE, thinking "someone else" will finish the job for them.
So I've just taken to resetting **** that goes like that. Cause inevitably the tank dies without any incoming heals, and then the dps slowly go down because they can't tank it. So when it falls to me, I just reset the *******. ***** all those lazy jerks.
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I think it does? I remember fighting the Svara FATE which I usually max and was called away from the PC. Instead of the usual 20k + I got around 2k XP.
It does this already if you had to Level Synch for it. If you run away from it or arent inside the level-synch circle of the FATE, even at 99%, you get the message that you're too high in level to recieve EXP for it.
It's fine as it currently is. This way atleast people without a lot of killing power get a little more time towards the end to finish the fate for max rewards.
It's fine as it currently is. This way atleast people without a lot of killing power get a little more time towards the end to finish the fate for max rewards.
KojiroSoma wrote:
It does this already if you had to Level Synch for it. If you run away from it or arent inside the level-synch circle of the FATE, even at 99%, you get the message that you're too high in level to recieve EXP for it.
It's fine as it currently is. This way atleast people without a lot of killing power get a little more time towards the end to finish the fate for max rewards.
It's fine as it currently is. This way atleast people without a lot of killing power get a little more time towards the end to finish the fate for max rewards.
Clearly you haven't leveled another class through Coerthas.
That's all anyone does now. Get enough in on the FATE to get gold, then run to the next one. Given that most people who do these FATE's will be at or under level for the FATE, you'll be hard pressed to find any group of five people who could finish, say, The Saint's Wake, or Bellyful. I watched a 34 WAR today, who had done a great job tanking, just up and bite it because every healer and most DPS decided to try to catch Seps and Roc of Ages, so they left, thinking they had enough for a gold.
That WAR died. Then it attacked me. I dumped aggro, and the other three DPS ate it. Then I ran. Reset the FATE and went and did Roc of Ages instead.
Sure, that WAR was pretty low in level compared to the FATE he was tanking, but he was doing fine with healing, holding hate and everything. Besides, isn't that what FF is about? A group of people getting together to take on sh*t far above their level and kicking it's ***? Getting experience after leaving the FATE doesn't encourage any kind of teamwork. It just encourages getting in, doing enough to get a gold, and then moving on to the next one. Which, incidentally, screws anyone who decides to try and tank those FATE's, because now they're stuck holding the proverbial bomb.
SolomonGrundy wrote:
I think it does? I remember fighting the Svara FATE which I usually max and was called away from the PC. Instead of the usual 20k + I got around 2k XP.
Sounds like you got failure silver or bronze SG. I've seen that happen too; the usual swarm hits Svara, and soon as she is around 15% or so, most people take off for other FATE's. This leaves maybe 6-8 people to fend off a ******** dragon and a half dozen adds. If you're lucky, one is a healer and the other is a tank. If not, well, then Svara kills everyone and the FATE fails.
Edited, Oct 18th 2013 4:11am by Quor
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KojiroSoma wrote:
It does this already if you had to Level Synch for it. If you run away from it or arent inside the level-synch circle of the FATE, even at 99%, you get the message that you're too high in level to recieve EXP for it.
It's fine as it currently is. This way atleast people without a lot of killing power get a little more time towards the end to finish the fate for max rewards.
It's fine as it currently is. This way atleast people without a lot of killing power get a little more time towards the end to finish the fate for max rewards.
They should null you reward specifically because of the Level Sync. If you step outside the designated blue FATE area, then lose all your reward. My reasoning behind this is because of numerous times where people will aggro the hoards far outside the FATE area as they spawn and the Level Synced players stuck inside the area get penalized with minimal reward.
Honestly I thought if you were too far you just didn't get a reward. That happened to my fiancee. We were doing the crate turn-in FATE in Western Than, and she ran right past the guy, almost to town. When the FATE ended, she got 0 even though she had killed several Goblins. I don't believe we were level sync'd either. Is it just that those FATEs are very close together out there?
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Pawkeshup the Meaningless wrote:
Honestly I thought if you were too far you just didn't get a reward. That happened to my fiancee. We were doing the crate turn-in FATE in Western Than, and she ran right past the guy, almost to town. When the FATE ended, she got 0 even though she had killed several Goblins. I don't believe we were level sync'd either. Is it just that those FATEs are very close together out there?
So she didn't turn in the crates?
Turn in FATEs are the best/worst fates.
99% of the player base does not understand that if you farm the spawned monsters you will get a **** load of EXP within the 15min.
The mobs are so weak, but fast exp is good exp . . .
But the moment to many of the items are turned in the timer drops to 1 min, and it normally only take like 10 items to fill that bar. This is when everyone then needs to turn in w/e amount the managed to get off the mobs or off the ground.
I've gotten the no reward during these FATEs because I forgot to turn in what I had before the timer hit 0.
But really people, make a say macro in every language...tell people to not turn in so fast...
These are also the FATEs I see the most leave like the OP said. They come in, get a few items (if they are lucky) turn in..and warp back to town. I've not seen groups leave FATEs that need bodies to win as the OP is mad about. FATE parties is all I can say. You get cred for the entire groups activity and not just as a single person.
99% of the player base does not understand that if you farm the spawned monsters you will get a **** load of EXP within the 15min.
The mobs are so weak, but fast exp is good exp . . .
But the moment to many of the items are turned in the timer drops to 1 min, and it normally only take like 10 items to fill that bar. This is when everyone then needs to turn in w/e amount the managed to get off the mobs or off the ground.
I've gotten the no reward during these FATEs because I forgot to turn in what I had before the timer hit 0.
But really people, make a say macro in every language...tell people to not turn in so fast...
These are also the FATEs I see the most leave like the OP said. They come in, get a few items (if they are lucky) turn in..and warp back to town. I've not seen groups leave FATEs that need bodies to win as the OP is mad about. FATE parties is all I can say. You get cred for the entire groups activity and not just as a single person.
Odd. I've never seen FATEs come apart quite like this. I know people leave, that much is sure, but there are so many people at FATEs on my server (the ones that matter) even if 90% of the people take off there're still too many people there.
Also re: the turn in FATEs telling people not to turn things in is a lost cause. You're kidding yourself if you think that'll ever fly. Just like people killing the lambs in DD if they felt like doing it they would and ***** everyone else. Generally if you say "don't X" they just reply with "Well I'm doing the FATE the way it was intended." or some garbage comment.
Also re: the turn in FATEs telling people not to turn things in is a lost cause. You're kidding yourself if you think that'll ever fly. Just like people killing the lambs in DD if they felt like doing it they would and ***** everyone else. Generally if you say "don't X" they just reply with "Well I'm doing the FATE the way it was intended." or some garbage comment.
I've seen this happen out between Camp Bluefog and the Ceruleum Processing Plant. I do believe you get exp even if you leave the FATE circle but as stated above it wont provide exp when you were level sync'd.
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Generally if you say "don't X" they just reply with "Well I'm doing the FATE the way it was intended." or some garbage comment.
Here's the thing about that...they're right. They ARE doing the FATE the way it was intended.
Something I never quite understood is: why is any contribution awarded for doing things that are NOT the objective of the FATE? Let alone MASSIVE contribution being awarded for specifically avoiding the FATE's objectives. It's completely counter-intuitive.
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FATEs seemed to have produced a hilariously large big bunch of whiners. So they leave early in order to maximize EXP per hour and jet to another one (especially since there's 50 billion people at the FATE anyway).
WHAT. DOES. IT. MATTER.
Their contribution doesn't affect your contribution or your party member's contribution or ANYONE'S contribution. They aren't AFK; they're not leeching and are putting in effort.
But no, because you don't *personally* like leaving early when you've already fulfilled your quota you want to punish other people? Instead, you decide to act childishly:
Considering NM FATEs (non-chain ones) do absolute crap for damage and all you have to do is dodge the red and *maybe* pop a potion I highly doubt they always, always fail. A tank and a handful of DDs are more than capable of killing what remains. If they die it's because they would have anyway due to being lazy with red zones.
Secondly, I'd *love* to know where you're leveling where apparently 99% of the train leaves that boss to move on. No, in reality, the people that leave aren't the majority so it sounds more and more like sour grapes making up a false story.
Of course, the kicker is this:
The. Hypocrisy.
Pot. Kettle.
Edited, Oct 18th 2013 10:55am by Viertel
WHAT. DOES. IT. MATTER.
Their contribution doesn't affect your contribution or your party member's contribution or ANYONE'S contribution. They aren't AFK; they're not leeching and are putting in effort.
But no, because you don't *personally* like leaving early when you've already fulfilled your quota you want to punish other people? Instead, you decide to act childishly:
Quor wrote:
So I've just taken to resetting sh*t that goes like that. Cause inevitably the tank dies without any incoming heals, and then the dps slowly go down because they can't tank it. So when it falls to me, I just reset the *******.
Considering NM FATEs (non-chain ones) do absolute crap for damage and all you have to do is dodge the red and *maybe* pop a potion I highly doubt they always, always fail. A tank and a handful of DDs are more than capable of killing what remains. If they die it's because they would have anyway due to being lazy with red zones.
Secondly, I'd *love* to know where you're leveling where apparently 99% of the train leaves that boss to move on. No, in reality, the people that leave aren't the majority so it sounds more and more like sour grapes making up a false story.
Of course, the kicker is this:
Quor wrote:
***** all those lazy jerks.
The. Hypocrisy.
Pot. Kettle.
Edited, Oct 18th 2013 10:55am by Viertel
Viertal, did you read the OP? I believe his concern to be valid.
Example: People join a fate that has a large Boss... towards the end of it, 90% of people leave to join another fate... Boss wipes remaining players.
OP Idea for a fix: Make those 90% not get any reward, thus they would have to stay until the Boss is dead.
In a "kill swarm" fate, it really wouldn't make difference, as long as you could avoid the agro of more swarm mobs than you could handle, but in area fates with a Boss his solution does have some merit.
Edited, Oct 18th 2013 10:35am by Dyadem
Example: People join a fate that has a large Boss... towards the end of it, 90% of people leave to join another fate... Boss wipes remaining players.
OP Idea for a fix: Make those 90% not get any reward, thus they would have to stay until the Boss is dead.
In a "kill swarm" fate, it really wouldn't make difference, as long as you could avoid the agro of more swarm mobs than you could handle, but in area fates with a Boss his solution does have some merit.
Edited, Oct 18th 2013 10:35am by Dyadem
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Sandinmygum the Stupendous wrote:
Turn in FATEs are the best/worst fates.
99% of the player base does not understand that if you farm the spawned monsters you will get a sh*t load of EXP within the 15min.
The mobs are so weak, but fast exp is good exp . . .
But the moment to many of the items are turned in the timer drops to 1 min, and it normally only take like 10 items to fill that bar. This is when everyone then needs to turn in w/e amount the managed to get off the mobs or off the ground.
I've gotten the no reward during these FATEs because I forgot to turn in what I had before the timer hit 0.
But really people, make a say macro in every language...tell people to not turn in so fast...
These are also the FATEs I see the most leave like the OP said. They come in, get a few items (if they are lucky) turn in..and warp back to town. I've not seen groups leave FATEs that need bodies to win as the OP is mad about. FATE parties is all I can say. You get cred for the entire groups activity and not just as a single person.
99% of the player base does not understand that if you farm the spawned monsters you will get a sh*t load of EXP within the 15min.
The mobs are so weak, but fast exp is good exp . . .
But the moment to many of the items are turned in the timer drops to 1 min, and it normally only take like 10 items to fill that bar. This is when everyone then needs to turn in w/e amount the managed to get off the mobs or off the ground.
I've gotten the no reward during these FATEs because I forgot to turn in what I had before the timer hit 0.
But really people, make a say macro in every language...tell people to not turn in so fast...
These are also the FATEs I see the most leave like the OP said. They come in, get a few items (if they are lucky) turn in..and warp back to town. I've not seen groups leave FATEs that need bodies to win as the OP is mad about. FATE parties is all I can say. You get cred for the entire groups activity and not just as a single person.
I wish those FATEs would go on for the maximum duration, everyone would be sure to have enough time. By the way it's exactly 6 items that's required for gold, always.
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I noticed this in the past few days only in off peak hours. I did all the fate achievements but the 3000 one and I'm level capped so no Fate xp for me. I stay in Coerthas for the 217 xp a kill for my chocobo. I notice people leaving the Svara dragon fight through the gate or by death tele near the end if other fates pop. The Eyes have it used to have dead bodies everywhere like Go Go Gimera, but people found out you get xp if you stay anywhere in the zone. Coerthas has 4 fates I can't solo not counting behemoth, as long as Fate jumpers get the hp down to where you fight boss mob hp regen before they die it doesn't bother me. I haven't failed the final Svara dragon fight yet because of good tanks and the game keeps sending in npc soldiers but I noticed I'm healing and raising lots people low as 32 in a lv 43 fight ,it's still fun if I'm not losing.
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So op is here to dictate how everyone should play fates, got it.
Sandinmygum the Stupendous wrote:
Turn in FATEs are the best/worst fates.
99% of the player base does not understand that if you farm the spawned monsters you will get a sh*t load of EXP within the 15min.
The mobs are so weak, but fast exp is good exp . . .
But the moment to many of the items are turned in the timer drops to 1 min, and it normally only take like 10 items to fill that bar. This is when everyone then needs to turn in w/e amount the managed to get off the mobs or off the ground.
I've gotten the no reward during these FATEs because I forgot to turn in what I had before the timer hit 0.
But really people, make a say macro in every language...tell people to not turn in so fast...
These are also the FATEs I see the most leave like the OP said. They come in, get a few items (if they are lucky) turn in..and warp back to town. I've not seen groups leave FATEs that need bodies to win as the OP is mad about. FATE parties is all I can say. You get cred for the entire groups activity and not just as a single person.
99% of the player base does not understand that if you farm the spawned monsters you will get a sh*t load of EXP within the 15min.
The mobs are so weak, but fast exp is good exp . . .
But the moment to many of the items are turned in the timer drops to 1 min, and it normally only take like 10 items to fill that bar. This is when everyone then needs to turn in w/e amount the managed to get off the mobs or off the ground.
I've gotten the no reward during these FATEs because I forgot to turn in what I had before the timer hit 0.
But really people, make a say macro in every language...tell people to not turn in so fast...
These are also the FATEs I see the most leave like the OP said. They come in, get a few items (if they are lucky) turn in..and warp back to town. I've not seen groups leave FATEs that need bodies to win as the OP is mad about. FATE parties is all I can say. You get cred for the entire groups activity and not just as a single person.
I never understood the need to have the FATEs end because of a certain amount of kills or items turned in.
I got an idea to make FATEs feel less grindy. Make the time set in stone. No amount of kills or turned in items will end a fate. Monsters will keep spawning until the timer runs out. This way even if the objective is complete they will keep spawning.
Think of how many FATE issues this will fix? No more asshats ruining Dark Devices or turning in too many items in too early. People will want to stay until the end of the FATE because it will give good experience points by chaining monsters. You won't have too many people in one fate because the different parties can spread out.
Only issue I see with this is the escort FATEs. Maybe have them spawn slightly quicker than the others?
ShadowofaDoubt wrote:
So op is here to dictate how everyone should play fates, got it.
wait, aren't you the guy who was gleefully telling us all of your plans to kill the lambs in DD because everyone else is doing it wrong?
or was it one of the other ten guys with shadow in their name?
Why care if a fate is left early by other people? If anything you should be happy for big bosses frees up lag so especially if you are on ps3 you can get gold, kill all mobs once again frees up lag so you can get credit. And turn ones who cares turn in and l leave.
Reason I say this is because I play on ps3 and if there are a ton of people at the fate it's pointless, boss or add or mobs will never pop and you will end up doing fates for no rewards. So forcing people to stay there and lag everything down for no reason is kinda stupid.
Plus never have I not seen a ton of people at svara cancer the eyes have it and go go chimera or any big fates.
Reason I say this is because I play on ps3 and if there are a ton of people at the fate it's pointless, boss or add or mobs will never pop and you will end up doing fates for no rewards. So forcing people to stay there and lag everything down for no reason is kinda stupid.
Plus never have I not seen a ton of people at svara cancer the eyes have it and go go chimera or any big fates.
domice wrote:
Why care if a fate is left early by other people? If anything you should be happy for big bosses frees up lag so especially if you are on ps3 you can get gold, kill all mobs once again frees up lag so you can get credit. And turn ones who cares turn in and l leave.
Reason I say this is because I play on ps3 and if there are a ton of people at the fate it's pointless, boss or add or mobs will never pop and you will end up doing fates for no rewards. So forcing people to stay there and lag everything down for no reason is kinda stupid.
Plus never have I not seen a ton of people at svara cancer the eyes have it and go go chimera or any big fates.
Reason I say this is because I play on ps3 and if there are a ton of people at the fate it's pointless, boss or add or mobs will never pop and you will end up doing fates for no rewards. So forcing people to stay there and lag everything down for no reason is kinda stupid.
Plus never have I not seen a ton of people at svara cancer the eyes have it and go go chimera or any big fates.
Mainly because if you aren't in a party or at least duoing with a healer, the moment all the other people ditch and leave you to solo the FATE, you wind up *** up in the snow. I think that point was covered. Did you miss it? I think you missed it.
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Llester wrote:
ShadowofaDoubt wrote:
So op is here to dictate how everyone should play fates, got it.
wait, aren't you the guy who was gleefully telling us all of your plans to kill the lambs in DD because everyone else is doing it wrong?
or was it one of the other ten guys with shadow in their name?
I am and this would follow my whole thought on it, play how you want to play not how others tell you. Plus I never said they were doing it wrong, I just loved their tears when ending it as intended
Edited, Oct 18th 2013 4:24pm by ShadowofaDoubt
Pawkeshup the Meaningless wrote:
Mainly because if you aren't in a party or at least duoing with a healer, the moment all the other people ditch and leave you to solo the FATE, you wind up *** up in the snow. I think that point was covered. Did you miss it? I think you missed it.
That point's actually been made a whole bunch of times... including in the OP. He's not the first person to miss it, though I'm not sure how that keeps happening.
Just to restate... if you're left alone with an angry boss and suddenly have no healers or support, you're going to lose. You're going to die. And the FATE is getting reset, and then nobody gets rewarded for it. THAT ISN'T BETTER.
You can't just depend on "enough" people sticking around to finish the fight; especially as this behavior becomes more well known and more common (and if it's really more efficient, then that's what will happen).
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Posted: Oct 18 2013 at 2:26 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) On what fate will this happen? Plus like I said if you are not in a party and on ps3 and require everyone to stay till the end oh the fate might as well pack up cuz you are not getting any exp. All you are trying to do rob Peter to pay Paul.
I was under the impression that leaving the FATE early while level synced would result in getting no experience as well, but just yesterday I died and went back to my homepoint, which took my level sync off, and I still received 5k experience.
I remember this especially because after going back to hp and losing sync I thought to myself "Ah bummer, probably should have just stayed there dead to keep the reward" and then, about a minute later, I received the xp and gil. Perhaps a glitch?
I remember this especially because after going back to hp and losing sync I thought to myself "Ah bummer, probably should have just stayed there dead to keep the reward" and then, about a minute later, I received the xp and gil. Perhaps a glitch?
domice wrote:
On what fate will this happen? Plus like I said if you are not in a party and on ps3 and require everyone to stay till the end oh the fate might a all pack up cuz you are not getting any exp. All you are trying to do rob Peter to pay Paul.
Oh, I see, you're retarded. Sorry, I didn't notice before. Must have missed that. Nevermind, run along now.
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