Titan Party Woes (A set of gear check questions)Follow

And, there we go... Rejected from my fifth Titan HM group before even trying the fight.

I am a black mage and prefer spell speed. The crap they want me to wear will take away from my spell speed in exchange for defense.

I prefer to slot materia to build to custom proportions that are not significantly worse than the ak and darklight gear.

I have 3 darklight pieces (robe, shield, earrings), ifrit cudgel, and two ak pieces (sash and boots). My gloves and pants are AF but give great spell speed. My rings, bracelet, and choker are all HQ zircon with +4 and +6 spell speed slotted. I have ~3k hp.

My first question, how many more pieces will it take to stop being shunned like the wierd uncle at Christmas?

My second question, why do all of these parties completely ignore slotted crafted gear?

My third question, does anyone realize how much damage a blm can do with a high spell speed stat?

I wish there were ways to solo farm tomes on my own time, so if I needed to grab a drink or go bio I could without angering 7 other ppl who get pissed because my ps3 doesnt load the cutscene fast enough so i can skip it.

From what I've been reading, they may not even be looking at your gear specifically. Apparently, anything under 3400 HP and you probably won't survive.

Interesting tidbit. I'm getting closer to this myself. Good to know, thanks.

As I understand more about what people are trying to accomplish with Materia slotting, at least trying out different combinations, I can understand more why people are resisting the upcoming average gear score number. It just doesn't tell the whole story.

On the hand, if it's just straight you need "x" DEF and "x" HP to survive. Well, unique Materia slotting will have to come after those reqs are met. Seems reasonable.

Still trying to learn more about this.

Edited, Sep 23rd 2013 1:33pm by Gnu

<n00b> Am I missing something? Are there 2 Titan fights? I have a Titan fight that's level 32 in the DF that I just flagged. </n00b>

I hate to burst your bubble, but testing has revealed that Spell / Skill Speed is near worthless. At least in the proportions available now.

The reason you're probably being rejected is your VIT. You need a minimum of 3k HP to not be a detriment to your healers in Titan, as his stomps are unavoidable, and low hp is a death sentence post-heart phase. This does not mean you should settle for 3k, as 3500ish is preferred.

Get rid of the AF. I don't care what stat is on it, it's garbage and needed to be replaced. You're losing a ton of INT which will do a ton more dmg than any spell speed you could have. The only exception to this skillspeed rule might be monk, with Greased Lightning.

Edited, Sep 23rd 2013 2:20pm by Louiscool

Well, no one can survive the stomps, so you have the healers spam medica 2 through the stomps. It's the only way to survive.

The reason you want more HP is because Medica 2 also grants regen. During the fight, the tank is getting slammed by Mountain Buster, which hits non-tanks for 6k, and good tanks for like 2-3k HP. The healers can't stop and spot cure other people or the tank will die, so if you have more HP as a buffer, it's easier for everyone.

If you played perfectly every time, dodged everything, 3k would be enough. It's just for security.

Edited, Sep 23rd 2013 2:29pm by Louiscool

MMOs taught me that future easy-mode is a whine about lack of assistance.

I have my snow boots prepared ^^

After doing this several times for different people with my BLM who had (at the time) 3100 HP, I simply have to laugh at half of these posts recommending more than 3400 HP. I'm sitting in full DL (minus the head), AF2 body, and my relic yet I'm still at 3450 HP or so. With food, I'd hit the 3.5k that seems to be desired. So are you telling him to get this gear before trying Titan? It isn't necessary and for some very good reasons.

BLM has a great ability called manaward. It actually negates almost all of geocrush's damage. While it doesn't seem to work on earthen fury (more testing needed), I have not once died as a result.

My first attempt was done in full demagoguge and DL accessories with Ifrit's cudgel using raisins.That's right: I didn't even have dark light main pieces yet just demagogue.

Every single parse I'd be on top. Every time we wiped was due to someone running through multiple plumes or getting landslided off and/or bombed. BLM has plenty of tools to survive this fight and we also happen to bring top damage considering we can easily switch from Gaol's and are not as influenced by constant repositioning due to plumes (aka: melee won't always be behind Titan at all times). Make sure you inform the ignorant people that are rejecting you of this fact and perhaps they'll understand.

But probably not.

This doesn't even take into account the fact that I haven't tested multiple abilities of ours on different phases. For instances, tumult seems to be physical-based but I haven't bothered popping manawall on it and haven't had the time to see if manaward negated its damage. If your healers are on point, you shouldn't be dead even after his 10 stomps. They come slowly and are meant to be healed through. The only way you become a liability is if you cannot survive ~5 of them in a row.

I know manawall works on landslide (you'll still get knocked back) but you shouldn't be hit by that to begin with. Point is, survivability was never an issue for me.



This fight is a check on several different things:

1) Can your healers heal through tumult's damage without obtaining aggro (WHM)?
2) Can your tank survive for periods where a heal may not be gotten off in time to save him? (WAR and PLD)
3) Can your DPS kill the heart in time?
4) Is everyone intelligent enough to dodge landslide?

Everything else is recoverable from.

Sadly, spell speed is taken out in favor of accuracy in later gear. This is because certain coil fights require around 460 ACC (turn 5). I'm not 100% sure about ADS since I haven't examined the parses too carefully.

If you want to 'not be shunned', just grind the rest of your AF gear out of the way and get some DL accessories. You should be fine after that. If they really want to complain, just pop some VIT % food. You'll maybe gain a grand total of 100 HP. But you know? You're already dealing with unreasonable people.

At this point, people are so desperate to down Titan that they blame things that aren't actually the cause of the problem. After 40+ Titan runs (and many, many wipes), I can tell you that the major culprit of wipes is people not getting out of the way of sh*t. It's as simple as that.

And you know, Valk, I've written a guide on the three primals for BLM including recommended gear. Maybe go check it out?

http://ffxiv.zam.com/forum.html?forum=292

If you have BLM problems, consult the BLMs and not the general forum. :(

Random Titan parse:

http://i.imgur.com/nRGQhph.png

Edited, Sep 24th 2013 3:34am by HitomeOfBismarck

Which is fine if you play perfectly. You should know as well as I do, MOST people do not play perfectly. I only suggested more DL, because you might as well start building DL while you wait to kill Titan. Any improvements over AK gear will only improve your chances of killing Titan.

That said, a full AK gear party can kill Titan, if they know what they are doing. Hell, you could do it in AF if you can dodge and your healers can heal.



You did 16k dmg and beat Titan? You sure?

My latest titan win:

http://i.imgur.com/E06yHHX.jpg

Titan has slightly more dmg/hp than your parse suggests.

Edited, Sep 23rd 2013 4:13pm by Louiscool

Ifrit is pretty easily and reliably pugged; in time the others will be as well.

Ifrit and Garuda are now puggable and Titan is best practiced in a DF pug.

Turns out that Jy was running a bunch of Garuda last night. It is nice to party with a scholar who knows how to throw a bubble. Ran a bunch of them, no luck on the drop, but learned that latency can really affect the battle. One time Garuda totally disappeared mid-battle. The same fight I dropped the lb on the third set of adds (I saw them, btu not garuda) and then mid cast they happily skipped off to the right through the tornadoes into the sunset and didnt get hit. Not sure if that was due to latency or something else but I caught the blame nonetheless. Didnt happen again, but it was wierd.

Edited, Sep 25th 2013 11:55am by Valkayree