Does EXP/leveling need rebalancing?Follow

There's a misconception that I blame FFXI entirely for.

Leveling is not the whole game.

Seriously, reaching level 50 is not the end of the game; in many ways it's the beginning.

As for having level 50 players already? Day 1, legacy players.. multiple level 50 jobs with relics.. these guys exist.

Heres the way I see it. I don't like fate farming as a way to progress. I do fate farm, for seals more than anything.

I like that they are there and they are popular however. Why? It makes the world feel so alive to see a giant train of players heading in a direction. Its nice to see all those people at the quest hubs between fates. It creates a buzz in the area...it creates community interaction.

If you gave me the reigns of the game I would keep them as is, double the time it takes to level from 30-50, and add some open world 8 man dungeons for group farming as an alternative to fate grinding..have a seal or two drop from the mobs in that dungeon and make them take at least 2 minuets to down each. I want people seeking an archer or mage to pull, I want there to be a tank healer and party healer, diverse dps ect.

I know im in the minority but the best part of older mmorpgs was getting together with a bunch of people and leveling up. Fates are kind of like that...they just need an alternative, such as open world dungeon parties.

Lets be honest, what else are you going to do after you level you main to endgame and want another class up to 50? Fate and...fate? I feel leves are best saved for crafting and gathering.

I hope they don't nerf fates though...they do wonders for community and add to the game. Nerf it and watch them become a pain as a giant boss stands in your quest area for 15min before he despawns.

If you happen to like a damage dealing job then you can do a lot of fates and get a lot of XP in the time it took you to wait 40 - 50 minutes in the Duty Finder. Unfortunately you can't wait in the DF queue while you are in a party or it would be the best of both worlds.

Gotta love all of the people who proclaim Tanaka FFXI 2003/FFXIV 1.0 style changes.

"Yeah, like let's totally make it take longer to level and instead of making more methods viable let's just take the easier route and make the most popular one worse than every other option. Because players absolutely hate having options!"

Yeah, we already did that. Guess how it worked out. Complain to get the other methods up to snuff like a dungeon bonus chain, or various other methods. Crying to get FATEs nerfed says nothing more than "I'm a whiney child that doesn't like doing something so therefore change it so NO ONE should be able to enjoy doing that thing."

Edited, Sep 11th 2013 9:06pm by Viertel

I agree with most of what you said... but complaining something is too good isn't always equivalent to being a whiny child. I mean, FATES as they currently are are a tad ridiculous. There are literally so many people on the screen that you can't even see anything because there is so much light from peoples special skills, and if you don't have a top notch machine good luck with actually connecting with a mob.

Grind is a frame of mind. Its what people use to describe playing a game they don't enjoy. If you don't enjoy playing don't play, its simple.

The old game had issues far beyond the fact it was a long progression game...which is what players of this game like. The client was a hot mess, the menu system was a hot mess...there was a lack of stuff to do.

They added so much more into the new game, but then put 1-50 on the fast track...which is really my only complaint about this game...its too damn fast...and I didn't fate farm until mid 40's so I could get seals for my GC advancement.

I really hope they add an expansion, level cap to 100, keep the fates, quests, duties, leves, ect. Add 8 man dungeons as an option mixed with fates and the rest. Make it take 6 months casual time to get to 100 and then a whole new set of raids and hard modes.

I would be subbed to this game for years if that were the case. It gets old these new mmorpgs that your done with in a month and then endgame is a month or less to clear....then what? Ill take a game that has me progressing for months anyday...don't care if there is grind...I don't play mmorpgs not to grind I go play single player game and stuff on steam if I want a quick action experience.

I'm not sure I follow. When I did dungeons, I would come out with a good chunck of exp. I will admit that I had rested exp untill level 43 AND the bonus for having 50s. I also asked to not skip mobs.

Fixed that for you.

(Last I checked, I play this game and do not want another FFXI style grind to experience the main content)

Edited, Sep 13th 2013 10:54am by Pickins

I don't think the main point of this game is grinding for experience. It is part of it as an MMO, kinda like how GW2 does things.

I think grinding for exp is an introduction, a tutorial to the job and to the game. Instead, the more challenging part of the game is after you are lv50. If everyday, I log in, is just to grind for experience and lv up, it would get pretty boring. So instead, the exping is a bit faster that even the players that doesn't have a whole lot of time can eventually get to end game than to take 6 months to a year to get to max lv.

I think I'm out of the loop with this. I remember talking about the game 6 mos ago, agreeing with other ppl how we all were going to take our time and enjoy it after waiting so long. I wanted to craft, fish, explore, quest and not rush thru.
I'm sad that FATEs are being used this way because usually if I'm near one, I need to be there first to get anything out of them. I am not going to grind FATEs. I plan...planned to play this for years, but wow. Grinding FATEs thru how many classes? Nope.

Or limit the amount of people allowed to join FATE to make it challenging. Imagine 40 people vs Odin instead of 4,000 people.

But then that defeats the purpose of FATE.

Fate farming, at least as far as I've seen, is completely mindless. Utterly boring. No challenge whatsoever. I hate to say this but I hope the population on ultros decreases so there aren't throngs of people in every zone frothing at the mouth to farm them.

Solution for Dungeons: Give players an option at each coffer. You can choose to lot on the gear, or choose an exp bonus.

This would make dungeons give more exp if you choose. And it would also keep people from lotting on gear they don't truly need or want badly.