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This stuff is ridiculous for PUGs, you want to join a LS like Bluegartr, then do that. Their demands are ridiculous, but it's advertised on their website and that's it. Gear proves nothing in these games cause much like XI, you don't actually know what the person did to obtain em. Blacklist is there, or just ignore them. You can min/max this game, but people who did naked primal runs in 1.0 proved stats are meh.
StateAlchemist, Om nom nom... wrote:
Gear score means nothing in FFXIV. Well maybe not 'nothing' but I will take a 'skilled' player over a 'geared' player anyday. Hell, you think something can only be done with 'blah blah blah' gear level? Please let me get a PT of 8 naked people and show you how wrong you are. Might take a while though... ><
Fights are going to be timed via certain mechanics. Some fights already are (see Titan). If the players in your group aren't up to par with their output, the whole group is going to fail. If gear was that meaningless, they might as well just give us all stat-less vanity gear to wear.
Gear at low-level doesn't matter. It doesn't offer enough stats to matter. I have seen the AF gear, though. The stats on the blue gear are massive.
Valkayree wrote:
Louiscool wrote:
, and it brought to light HUGE gap in player contribution in the final fights and dungeons. For comparison, I am extremely well geared and averaged between 140 to 125 dps, while I've had a Monk who beat me in DPS (with normal weapons/gear while I have Ifrit's Bow and better than darklight armor) and another Monk who did 40 dps (n the same party) falling lower than the pld and war tanks in the fight. The worst was a BLM with 23 dps... It was all fine and dandy because it was the main story, but if these same people then try to fight Chimera right after....
Edited, Sep 3rd 2013 10:28am by Louiscool
Edited, Sep 3rd 2013 10:28am by Louiscool
Sounds like you are parsing the wrong blm, or unaware tha the blm was probably trying to sleep the whole battle because some close range DD have problems with attacking things that the tank is not targeting. Stack your astrals right and get a few firestarters and you can easily 500 Fire III into a free instant 800 Fire III in a matter of 3 seconds.
This was a fight with very few adds. I really don't know what he was doing but he was out of mana often and I had to Ballad him half the fight. I was disappointed to realize that I really shouldn't have sacrificed 25% of my dmg to buff him though.
BLM is awesome, this one was afk?
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You wouldn't invite a level 40 player to fight Ifrit.
No but apparently you can invite a Level 46 WHM in FFXI to run a Windurst Mission marathon and get Rank 10 after deleveling to 42 in the process no problem.
True story btw. ;)
But relating to FFXIV. I will state this now... if I know someone is a skilled player, I don't care if they want to run Ifrit in the reindeer outfit from 1.0. If I don't I might personally go over their gear to see what they have equipped what kind of materia they may/may not be using...however I am not going to rely EVER on some random number and judge someone by it.
Gear does NOT mean you are a better player. I have out parsed people in 1.0 as MNK and BLM while having inferior gear, because I had better timing/understanding of mechanics/understanding of my class skills/knowledge of mob abilities/etc/etc. And I am sure the same will still be the case for FFXIV.
That also doesn't mean that gear means nothing. Sometimes a fight comes along that becomes much easier with certain gear. In this situation, it is okay, imo, to say, "Hey you need this gear, bro. It will be way too rough without it..."
DuoMaxwellxx wrote:
MitArgento wrote:
Get a free company > ignore these guys that act like pros or demand you to have x gear to play and play with your friends in FC > ???? > Profit
Edited, Sep 3rd 2013 5:49am by MitArgento
Edited, Sep 3rd 2013 5:49am by MitArgento
what if your friends.. although fun to play with suck horribly and cant get crap done?
That is why there are Free Companies and then there are Linkshells / Friends Lists. You FC with people that have a similar capability and goal in mind, and play with your friends during off time. There is no rule that states you must be in a FC with your friends, unless you set that standard for yourself... in which case, you have made your bed.
StateAlchemist, Om nom nom... wrote:
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You wouldn't invite a level 40 player to fight Ifrit.
No but apparently you can invite a Level 46 WHM in FFXI to run a Windurst Mission marathon and get Rank 10 after deleveling to 42 in the process no problem.
True story btw. ;)
But relating to FFXIV. I will state this now... if I know someone is a skilled player, I don't care if they want to run Ifrit in the reindeer outfit from 1.0. If I don't I might personally go over their gear to see what they have equipped what kind of materia they may/may not be using...however I am not going to rely EVER on some random number and judge someone by it.
Gear does NOT mean you are a better player. I have out parsed people in 1.0 as MNK and BLM while having inferior gear, because I had better timing/understanding of mechanics/understanding of my class skills/knowledge of mob abilities/etc/etc. And I am sure the same will still be the case for FFXIV.
That also doesn't mean that gear means nothing. Sometimes a fight comes along that becomes much easier with certain gear. In this situation, it is okay, imo, to say, "Hey you need this gear, bro. It will be way too rough without it..."
Totally agree. But this is exactly WHY people are using iLVL for pugs. The best advice in this thread is to make friends. Even if or your friends aren't well geared, communication and patience will win any fight over a fickle PUG that uses iLVL to judge if they are worthy of his or her time.
DuoMaxwellxx wrote:
MitArgento wrote:
Get a free company > ignore these guys that act like pros or demand you to have x gear to play and play with your friends in FC > ???? > Profit
Edited, Sep 3rd 2013 5:49am by MitArgento
Edited, Sep 3rd 2013 5:49am by MitArgento
what if your friends.. although fun to play with suck horribly and cant get crap done?
Then you teach them how to play better.
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The best advice in this thread is to make friends.
Exactly.
This type of stuff reminds of call of duty, "you must be prestige to join my clan". That's why I never prestiged and ninjaed on all them 
The only thing that drives me nuts is being told you need gear equipped that comes from the event you're trying to get gear from. So dumb.
Teracide wrote:
I have seen the AF gear, though. The stats on the blue gear are massive.
You are correct sir. I can see them dwarfing everything for 10 levels at least.
What are PUGs? I dont hold people to there gear if we can win then there is no problem, with that being said i am a big crafter and enjoy makeing the best gear i can, i just hope ill be able to put it to use on end game dungeons, i would feel weird if you could complete all the level 50 dungeons with just gear from quests, so i do hope there is a need for great gear. I see what everyone is saying, i dont want it all to be judge by gear, but i also dont want a guy wearing potato sack doin the same dmg as me who spent along time makein some bad *** armor, some where in the middle would be nice!
IMFW wrote:
What are PUGs? I dont hold people to there gear if we can win then there is no problem, with that being said i am a big crafter and enjoy makeing the best gear i can, i just hope ill be able to put it to use on end game dungeons, i would feel weird if you could complete all the level 50 dungeons with just gear from quests, so i do hope there is a need for great gear. I see what everyone is saying, i dont want it all to be judge by gear, but i also dont want a guy wearing potato sack doin the same dmg as me who spent along time makein some bad *** armor, some where in the middle would be nice!
Pick up groups.
IMFW wrote:
What are PUGs?
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
Nice thanks for clearing that up!
lolgaxe wrote:
IMFW wrote:
What are PUGs?
They don't serve your kind there.
LebargeX wrote:
The only thing that drives me nuts is being told you need gear equipped that comes from the event you're trying to get gear from. So dumb.
This. May the Delve problem never infect FFXIV.
Before any of this gets out of hand, there needs to be a server set aside for these elitist jerks so regular players who don't look, act, or play like Jenkins from South Park can play in relative peace.
AriesMCMLXXIII wrote:
Before any of this gets out of hand, there needs to be a server set aside for these elitist jerks so regular players who don't look, act, or play like Jenkins from South Park can play in relative peace.
These aren't elitists, these are idiots.
svlyons wrote:
If random outcomes aren't acceptable to you, then don't play with random people.
Lefein wrote:
DuoMaxwellxx wrote:
MitArgento wrote:
Get a free company > ignore these guys that act like pros or demand you to have x gear to play and play with your friends in FC > ???? > Profit
Edited, Sep 3rd 2013 5:49am by MitArgento
Edited, Sep 3rd 2013 5:49am by MitArgento
what if your friends.. although fun to play with suck horribly and cant get crap done?
Then you teach them how to play better.
This is crazy talk. No one wants to put in the effort when its just easier to exclude them.
Archmage Callinon wrote:
These aren't elitists, these are idiots.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
LebargeX wrote:
The only thing that drives me nuts is being told you need gear equipped that comes from the event you're trying to get gear from. So dumb.
Which is where buying your wins comes in! You'll be able to get what you need if you have the money for it, watch other people do the job for you while you go AFK.
Aside from that, how do you calculate DPS in the game? I'm really hoping that buffing/debuffing, eating food and doing all the combos give much more DPS than someone who is circulating true thrust, vorpal thrust and full thrust.
AriesMCMLXXIII wrote:
Before any of this gets out of hand, there needs to be a server set aside for these elitist jerks so regular players who don't look, act, or play like Jenkins from South Park can play in relative peace.
And by competing amongst themselves, only the most elitist and jerkiest of the elitist jerks will survive, giving birth to the Sardaukar of elitist jerks.
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Elitism is the belief or attitude that some individuals, who form an elite—a select group of people with a certain ancestry, intrinsic quality or worth, higher intellect, wealth, specialized training or experience, or other distinctive attributes—are those whose influence or authority is greater than that of others; whose views on a matter are to be taken the most seriously or carry the most weight; whose views or actions are most likely to be constructive to society as a whole; or whose extraordinary skills, abilities, or wisdom render them especially fit to govern.
The term elitism, or the title elitist, are sometimes used by people who are (or claim to be) not a member of an elite organization. In politics, the terms are often used to describe people as being out of touch with the average Joe. The implication is that the alleged elitist person or group thinks they are better than everyone else; and, therefore, put themselves before others. It could be seen as a synonym for snob. An elitist is not always seen as truly elite, but only privileged. The definition may have different appreciations depending of the political contexts. Since elitism may be viewed as something necessary for creating patterns of good intellectual or professional performance, it can be used also for maintaining conditions of lack of competition and privilege.
The term elitism, or the title elitist, are sometimes used by people who are (or claim to be) not a member of an elite organization. In politics, the terms are often used to describe people as being out of touch with the average Joe. The implication is that the alleged elitist person or group thinks they are better than everyone else; and, therefore, put themselves before others. It could be seen as a synonym for snob. An elitist is not always seen as truly elite, but only privileged. The definition may have different appreciations depending of the political contexts. Since elitism may be viewed as something necessary for creating patterns of good intellectual or professional performance, it can be used also for maintaining conditions of lack of competition and privilege.
A wise person, seeking self-improvement, would seek out and cherish the advice of the truly elite. It is one thing to be a ****, it is another to be so damn good that people would do well to learn from you. If you can tell the difference, then you are one step closer to being my friend.
Saw a dude on excalibur yesterday shouting for a pug garuda hard-mode, get this though: only experienced need apply. I shouted back dude your shouting for a pug, whats wrong your FC not experienced enough?
Was also looking to do a normal garuda run and got told by a tank in df before fight he was bailing because I was SMN and they are crap dps.
Edited, Sep 3rd 2013 2:23pm by ShadowofaDoubt
Was also looking to do a normal garuda run and got told by a tank in df before fight he was bailing because I was SMN and they are crap dps.
Edited, Sep 3rd 2013 2:23pm by ShadowofaDoubt
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