Will SE Refund a Pre-Order?Follow

Is not a meter of shooting a positive down, is a meter of keeping things realistic, singling out 2 threads in the main beta forums is not proof of will the game succeed.

A couple reasons: one) this is not the SE official forums, we can't really help you on your refund. two) you're fishing, hoping other people will feel the same as you and validate your opinion. Saying you "hope if will get better" after saying it's going to die a quick death is about as much of a sideways approach as you can take. That is, after naming the thread "Will they give me my coppers back?" isn't about discussion, it's about putting both barrels into the game's gut without even really experiencing it.

Leveling a few jobs to barely outside the starting areas isn't a feat. I don't think you have a good understanding of leveling a character yet, not claiming I do, but the first areas are for getting your feet underneath you and you did that on 4+ jobs. I hope you understand the concepts of using three or four skills at this point.

I read six's comments, and I felt a little confused... I grinded my butt off in that weekend we had, and I only got to a 17 Marauder with an Airship pass, and still didn't get to truly see the other cities... The way you sound, you sound as if you played a little, ran around a little, didn't have gil for gear, didn't like the gear options, and just said to yourself this is average... I was gonna let this post slide because it seems like others have pointed out to you how I feel about the situation, and have covered it nicely, but I felt this had to be said for others, and you to hear.

What I experienced in that beta was pure hard work by Yoshi P... I saw a struggle to level.(which I liked high xp numbers) I saw lustrous environments, and many many many quests to complete. I saw a world with vision, and I just question myself did you get to the hunter's log, did you get high enough to get in on those nice fate battles where you meet strangers fighting together? Did you craft anything? Did you do any story missions? Did you get to the mission where you had to fight the raptors, and everyone was patiently waiting till others pops, and were helping out? The adventure of running through the new lands to figure stuff out...

These are the things that make an MMO tight... The little moments out in the field when you meet people. I had my doubts, I played FFXI for 7 years, and I didn't think that magic could be recreated... I was wrong, I had my doubt about FATE's, but 300 of them just at launch? That's a lot of FATE's. Then on top of that, most of us just kinda saw our starting city(which was beautiful), and the same classes running around, until people started traveling to new lands. Hell, I just got to my level to be able to beta test more areas, and more dungeons, witness parties, and guild leves.

Now, I was on a fresh server. I don't know if you were a 1.0 player, and you had a job to do all the later level stuff, but I believe if you did, you wouldn't be trying to ask questions like can I return my pre-order. And if you didn't have a high level job to start, you really didn't see much to form that kind of opinion about the overall state of the game in 2 days. And.... I think we were confused by you stating that comment about returning the game, and then in the same post say at the end, you "hope your wrong"... That was kinda confusing to me. Plus... "major rework"? What kind of major rework? Saying a game needs "major" rework, and only have 3-4 things that your not satisfied with doesn't constitute a major rework... I was suckered into posting in this thread like the rest of us, cause your probably laying on the couch sleep while i'm typing this. LOL

I think you should give the game another chance... Beta test some things you wouldn't normally do, and get in touch with the game as a whole, and what Yoshi-P and the team are trying to pull off and accomplish. I'm by no way saying the game is the best and is perfect, but will it survive? I think so... remember, this is the beta and not even all the areas are open... and... This is the first part of the game... there will be plenty of updates leading up to its first expansion. Plenty more jobs, plenty more future reasons that will later explain the reasons they did certain things now... This is a game that I wouldn't say you could judge until you at least hit level 30 and 15 on multiple classes, and you obtain your first jobs, and really see how things are done. And this is a person who's first experience was this weekend. Only better things will come my friend... :)


Edited, Jun 16th 2013 10:05pm by SirLuciousLeftfoot

I still say he is a Troll in disguise. go ahead and rate me down. If you don't like the game don't play, I"m tired of people complaining about every game I like. I realize all games have their problems, but if you don't like them, don't play them. It is really quite simple.

I agree with the sentiments of many, but here is my thing. If you're a new player looking to play something new, you'll find it. In fact, you'll get that value at $29.99, half of what a new release would be. By pre-ordering, you also get 3-7 day early access (I heard 5 but can't provide a link for sure) in addition to having 1-2 weeks of open beta. So you're getting almost a full month free (not counting P3 test time) to find out if you like/enjoy the game. Which is a great value, considering the cost of new titles. Now you may have some valid concerns, but if you're not voicing those concerns on the beta forums, you've defeated the purpose of being a beta tester in the first place.

Combat is a little stale early on, but that's the same for all games. Hell in WoW you're button mashing through most of the leveling content and even some of the raid content. A change I noticed is monsters have channeled attacks that you can DODGE. So combat does begin to pickup in difficulty. I had a FATE with a giant Cactuar. Every 10 seconds or so he'd do an AOE 100 needles attack. Standing in that more than twice was death. So you learned to move in and out. Combat will evolve, and in ways, the GCD might be a blessing because instead of sitting there waiting for your abilities to recharge, you'll be repositioning or evading and by the time you're ready to strike guess what. Your cooldown is up.

Honestly? I think it was pretty good during 1.23. Maybe not animation/graphics-wise, but it was pretty good and should have been built upon instead of scrapped for whatever this is, IMO.

You seriously got butthurt over Op's comments

I think you all need to relax and chill the **** out for a bit seriously The guy made a post, with a critique... GET OVER IT! You are all acting like he shoot your kid or something, spewing troll this troll that, just GTFO! Seriously guys, is a video game, some people will have different opinions, but you don't gotta go hard after a person's personal character etc etc because he did not like something you do, i mean did he say "Oh i dislike the direction of the game, therefore you are all idiots" or something offensive ?

Also people stop being Hypocrites! Is ok to say the game will be a success after experiencing what ? 20-30% of the entire game ? Has anybody tried PVP ? Endgame ? The full Story ? Please somebody tell me who has done all this in beta ? Nobody!

But if somebody say the total opposite of that, is suddendy turns into: Oh you have not experience the entire game, how can you judge it blablablablabla

Seriously! Relax guys

"Here's what you won't find:
You won't find a strong sense of community.
You won't find a lot of players willing to socialize. (Some are truly trying to find bugs or provide useful feedback. Some aren't good at multi-tasking.)
You won't find many players rushing to your aid so expect to die should you bite off more than you can chew. "

Umm what kinda mmo is this? FFXI (and just about EVERY p2p MMO) has ALL that... i hope when you said you wont find thos ethings you actually meant you wont find them in the BETA and not that they wont be found AT ALL

50mil gil or Ostia get's the Knife!

P.S: Transaction will take place on the next beta event, come alone.

The sentiment here is an echo of what has been posted, for over 3 years I might add, on the feedback forums. The potential of the game after adjustments have been made to it should not be taken into account until they come about.

Using the common analogy I use because it seems not to sink in for people...

If you order a steak cooked to medium and the server returns to your table with a raw slab of meat, you would 'provide feedback'. Personally, I'd tell them to take it and **** off until it's done or I'd leave. If they came back several times with it undercooked I wouldn't entertain the notion that I am welcome to pay for the salad bar and some rolls until they can figure out how to cook. Capeesh? It's like you guys are saying he's crazy for not realizing the potential that a raw piece of meat has to be a delicious steak. Who's trolling here? I can't really tell...

He has issues with the game that make him doubtful that it will be completed in a manner satisfactory to him before he's asked to pay for it and he'd like a refund. That doesn't sound like anything else but completely normal to me.


This is not at all true. Almost any beta test I have been in (up to and including XIV 1.0) were nearly identical to the launch version of the game with a few exceptions. Those exceptions were usually things like level uncapping, area restrictions, additional customization options for menus and other polish like additional quests, NPCs or the like. Beyond closed beta, games usually are just demos.



The initial battle system was changed, although only slightly, but it was somewhat significant. Other than that, you're right though. It was nearly identical upon release minus a few of the things I listed above.

If you can't get your money back I'm sure you can find a friend that would enjoy playing it. If the point of sale terms said no refunds than no refunds. Simple as that.