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#1 Feb 25 2005 at 1:06 PM Rating: Decent
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Reading the whm Forums, I found this discussion interesting.
(Link Below)
Knowing that Our Rag. Server is now the most expensive server. The inflation on many items have gone up in Price.
Example: Vermillion, Raise 3, Erase.
Its getting harder for a whm to make income to get the "basic" gear and spells that every PT "Expect" whm to have for a pt.

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/jobs.html?fjob=1&mid=1105866132685734223&num=325

Now the link above in a nutshell is saying the raise in price for a taxi. Now Charging, I Quote:

"/shout Teleport-Dem Teleport-Holla Teleport-Mea 2,000 gil
/shout Teleport-Vazhl Teleport-Yhoat Teleport-Altep 5,000 gil "

Is way too much, but it is understandable that a change in Price for taxi needs to be made, due to the inflation of the economy.

Now I am wonder what are your thoughts as a Customer, and as whm.
Do you think a change is needed?

#2 Feb 25 2005 at 1:11 PM Rating: Decent
Whoa, if it gets up to 2k I'll just have to get the spells for myself eventually >_<

But I do believe that a slight increase would be fair. I would be willing to pay between 600 - 1k Everyone else is making profit so it's only fair that the whms who provide that service for us, helping us get around to pursue our own money making schemes, should benefit as well.
#3 Feb 25 2005 at 1:49 PM Rating: Default
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Honestly there is always the WHM that will undercut you.

You /tele holla for 600
other WHM /Tele holla for 500

This keeps everyone in check.
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#4 Feb 25 2005 at 2:17 PM Rating: Decent
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from a melee stand point the only spells I see a whm cast are:
cures of varying level
maybe a nuke if they sub blm
protect of varying level
raise

Beyond that I don't see any other spells really getting used. If there's a rdm or brd usually they are the ones that give out the hastes or nukes or whatever.

And whm can farm just as much as anyone else. The healing may be excessive but it is also for a melee who has to rest when he can't heal himself. I've watched 50-60ish whm/nin go around dual wielding mauls and whapping gigas like it was nothing. Before that...find something easy to farm like elementals. Silence on an elemental + stoneskin/phalanx and go back to whacking the elemental. And if worse comes to worse....level a melee job just for the sole purpose of farming.

Tweak the "taxi" service all you like...usually if we have a pt someone can tele us to the appropriate crag for free and if we have a ls event there's usually someone that can tele us then they will go to rabao or something and swap jobs and meet up with us.


*edit* and if I were to see dem/mea/holla teles going for 2k...I'd just hop on a trusty choco for a lot cheaper and mosey my hume butt there...may be time consuming but usually if I get a pt invite they invite me 30 minutes before I'm actually needed.



Edited, Fri Feb 25 14:21:27 2005 by AcidReign
#5 Feb 25 2005 at 2:21 PM Rating: Decent
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There always be ppl under-cutting each other, known fact.
Also will like to point out that, yes there are other ways of making Income, but please note that since whm is a "Mage"

Farming NM is ... not possible.
We cant Voke to pull NM from Competition, (Dia is too slow)
Can't Solo the NM unless we are well past the NM Level.
If we Sub Thf, Once again, it gets Hard to Farm.

Crafting, Sure~ Crafting is Good, but you need a Decent Capital to go through it, to reach a decent craft level to make back Money.

#6 Feb 25 2005 at 7:19 PM Rating: Decent
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"/shout Teleport-Dem Teleport-Holla Teleport-Mea 2,000 gil
/shout Teleport-Vazhl Teleport-Yhoat Teleport-Altep 5,000 gil "

don't blame this on fulltime whms - most tele servicers are Melee who lvld whm specifically for gil. nozokimi = NIN etc
As for Acid who seems to think WHM are useless = you know this sort of thing brings alot of dislike from the whm community. If you actually meet a whm that sucks try asking them what their real main job is, I'm willing to be they are melee.Again, rdm canot raise 2 so if you party with one as your main healer suckit up when you die and don't whine to a neighboring whm how you need/deserve a R2 or R3.

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Farming NM is ... not possible.
We cant Voke to pull NM from Competition, (Dia is too slow)
Can't Solo the NM unless we are well past the NM Level.

Maybe if you are a taru, I'm elvaan and I have little trouble soloing things. Flash > Dia make sure you weapon is maxed - regardless of the job if you use a weapon that you suck at...you will get hurt. With Thf I farm using a sword and not a dagger.
As for farming, Im a whm that makes very good gil off farming. Flash is our fastest spell and it can out-do a voker. I dont normally hunt NMs because there is way too much compitition. I do ALOT of farming - read the farming guide - I do not own a vermi (I level way too many things to buy that) however I have 2 astrals, light & dark staff, emp hairpin, LL boots, full set of that german sounding armor, full set seers, full set shade, full set noct, erase etc (I did earn all these before the recent price jumps however)
I will sell everything on auction house whenever possible 200 gil adds up suprising fast - I have a mule in every city (B W S) and I 1st sell on auction house then bazaar finally NPC (which I try to avoid)
All jobs are more than capable of farming.


Edited, Fri Feb 25 19:32:22 2005 by niobia
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Farming NM is ... not possible.
We cant Voke to pull NM from Competition, (Dia is too slow)
Can't Solo the NM unless we are well past the NM Level.


Edited, Fri Feb 25 19:35:47 2005 by niobia
#7 Feb 25 2005 at 8:40 PM Rating: Good
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I suppose I would be willing to pay up to 800G for one of the basic teleports. But more than that would be impossible. It's cheaper for me just to take airships or use outpost teleports rather than pay 2k for a basic teleport.

Off topic, but
Nisedoraemon wrote:
Knowing that Our Rag. Server is now the most expensive server.

we're the most expensive server?
#8 Feb 25 2005 at 9:13 PM Rating: Good
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niobia wrote:
I'm elvaan and I have little trouble soloing things. Flash > Dia make sure you weapon is maxed - regardless of the job if you use a weapon that you suck at...you will get hurt.

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(this post is not directed at you niobia but I quote you to give my ramblings a base to stand on)

I've always been a firm believer in that whm is actually a pretty decent solo (as well as farming) class throughout the game. It will be even more so in endgame with utsusemi:ni at 74whm/37nin. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if a whm/nin (using juices for Refresh) would be just as good or maybe even better solo than a rdm. You wouldn't be as good as a nin/whm or thf/nin but no one is :P

As a whm you have access to some pretty high damage maces and staves (high delay though) and good skill in them. What you do lack to some extent though is good melee gear. There's some but not a lot and not the best. However, the ability to mitigate damage (Stoneskin, Protect, Shell, bar-spells and even enfeebles)) and the ability to cure and Haste (extremely useful) yourselves makes up for some shortcomings in the gear departement.

For soloing, never be afraid to use food. Of course this is not efficient for farming until late in the game but soloing and farming is a bit different. To farm and solo efficiently you will need to invest some money however. The gear you use in an exp party will only be so useful while farming. Spend some time looking for gear with +attack, str, dex, vit and evasion. No need for the most expensive equipment but spend a little money here and pretty soon you will have made this money back from a much improved farming ability.
#9 Feb 26 2005 at 1:29 AM Rating: Decent
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Khasim 72 rdm/53 blm/41 whm

You read my mind. ^^
#10 Feb 26 2005 at 8:31 AM Rating: Good
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Knowing that Our Rag. Server is now the most expensive server.


I thought Midgar. is still the most expenisive server..(Shudders remembering the 1 mil Emp. Hairpins from Midgar)
#11 Feb 26 2005 at 10:05 AM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for the many reply, to this subject. Insight from other ppl are always good to hear.

I understand that whm can solo (White Ninja), but that is if u got Hex-Strike (Club Lvl 220). If you can Hex, you can now some-what meet close to a Rdm soloing (I still think Rdm is a better Soloist than whm. Rdm's Phalanx is what makes it all).

Now personally I dont want to wait till I get Hex (Lvl. 68+?)

Farming..... is an issue that has both sides, Some of the reasons I hate about Farming is, Ppl Complaining "You're Taking all the Mobs", and commonly, "Can you Pwl me".

Maybe I'm just ********* Its really makes me very depressed, the more I try to save Money to buy the basic stuff, the more Inflation there is on the items, and seems like the Gap never get small.
#12 Feb 26 2005 at 11:09 AM Rating: Good
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Nisedoraemon wrote:
Its really makes me very depressed, the more I try to save Money to buy the basic stuff, the more Inflation there is on the items, and seems like the Gap never get small.


Yeah, I feel that too. It seems as if everything I have or can easily get becomes cheaper and cheaper but everything that I want becomes more and more expensive. It's probably something that most of us feel but it just means that we have to rethink our farming/crafting habits. I'm much too lazy to do this though so I'll just have to farm/craft more to solve my gil-problems :P
#13 Feb 26 2005 at 11:34 AM Rating: Decent
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the Gil Gods are unhappy, we must sacrafice more Goblins to them.
#14 Feb 26 2005 at 12:44 PM Rating: Decent
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I think it should be raised to at least 500. Before when I played it was a standard 500 for the base 3, I don't remember what Altep/Yhoat were.

But on Ragna it is 400, that 100 over time makes a difference. Granted there are lots of nice customers who pay 500, 600 and sometimes even 1000 for a teleport. But I do think 500 would be fair.

Maybe 500/750/1000 Instead of the current 400/600/1000
#15 Feb 26 2005 at 3:20 PM Rating: Good
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If you actually meet a whm that sucks try asking them what their real main job is, I'm willing to be they are melee.

That's strange, because i've met about 5, and 3 of which are on my Blist. This makes WHM the most populated job on my Blist. :/

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from a melee stand point the only spells I see a whm cast are:
cures of varying level
maybe a nuke if they sub blm
protect of varying level
raise

Beyond that I don't see any other spells really getting used. If there's a rdm or brd usually they are the ones that give out the hastes or nukes or whatever.


White Mages shouldn't be nuking with Black Mage spells.... But regardless, there are many more things White Mages can and should do:

Magic Burst: If you're fighting Goblins, or anything else weak to light for that matter, try to get a Transfixion or Fusion skillchain going and Magic Burst off it with Holy or Banish I/II/III. Remember: Undead are weak to Banish now!

Also, if you pick up a Water Staff, you will notice a significant increase in damage due to it's "Divine Magic Skill +10" bonus. :)

Flash: If you have Ninja tank, USE THIS! Timing it right should blind the mob long enough for your Ninja tank to get off his Utsusemi: Ichi spell without interruption.

As for the "Flash generates too much hate!" argument, well, think of the alternative: If the Ninja keeps getting interrupted, that's more damage for you to cure, and thus, more hate being generated on your side. So either way, you're still going to get hate. At least this way, the Ninja won't be at risk of dying. :P

Haste: Don't dismiss this spell so soon. With a Ninja tank, this is especially demanding. When I was going through my White Mage phase, I could, usually, keep the tank and one other melee Hasted at all times without any severe MP drain. If you have a Red Mage in your party, then it is very easy to keep all your melee hasted appropriately.

Of course, nowadays as a Summoner, it seems the Haste roll always falls into my corner. Hastega may not last as long, but it lasts long enough.

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Farming NM is ... not possible.
We cant Voke to pull NM from Competition, (Dia is too slow)
Can't Solo the NM unless we are well past the NM Level.
If we Sub Thf, Once again, it gets Hard to Farm.

Dia!? Use Flash silly! Don't have Flash? Well good news, most mobs up until... 40 or so, are rather easy to kill, even if they con Decent Challenge. They were for me, anyways...

Have you ever seen a whm/nin? I have, and they kick ***! White Mage can use some pretty powerful Clubs, not to mention their oh-so wonderful ability of Hexa-Strike that they get around level 66 or so. Of course, that is a ways off, but that's not to say a Whm/Nin is weak without it. Just give it a chance, you'll see.

Of course... If you want treasure hunter, well... Then what you say is true, for the most part. ^^; I'd think Galka and Elvaan White Mages shouldn't have too much trouble though. :D

I realize some of this stuff was already said. If so, I'm really sorry for raining in on your parade.
#16 Feb 26 2005 at 6:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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the Gil Gods are unhappy, we must sacrafice more Goblins to them.


.....

KILL THE GOBLINS! KILL THE GOBLINS! KILLTHE GOBLINS!

Wolfling gets out his Cerimonial Dagger, black cloak, and Steel Mask

I shall preform the Sacraficing Ceremony!
#17 Feb 26 2005 at 6:07 PM Rating: Good
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Well looks like based on the responses, Sacrificing the Gobs, are the answer to this Thread, j/k LOL

That somewhat cheered me up. Thx Guys
#18 Feb 26 2005 at 7:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Farming NM is ... not possible.
We cant Voke to pull NM from Competition, (Dia is too slow)
Can't Solo the NM unless we are well past the NM Level.
If we Sub Thf, Once again, it gets Hard to Farm.


I've camped many NMs with my WHM friend before she quit, even with a bunch of MNKs or WARs she'd still beat them with dia... so many torrent claims not one drop /cry
#19 Feb 27 2005 at 1:59 AM Rating: Decent
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I understand that whm get a variety of other spells that they can use but with all my filters off I rarely and I mean very rarely ever see a whm use any spells than the ones listed.

Magic bursts...I'm all willing to do transfixion and stuff so the whm can burst but it's almost always distortion that a pt wants...or fragmentation...beyond that nothing is ever really used since usually a mage of some sort is using those spells to burst instead of that. Maybe at higher lvls when people do light chains I'll see it more often but 63 and lower....not seeing a whole lot of it.

I've got no problems with whm...they can do as they please it's just they have potential and it usually goes to waste because pts stick to the status quo and don't typically try anything new or different to see if things will work out in a better method. I compare it to pts I have that panic and think we can't kill a mob once we have it halfway dead and the mages run out of mp. There have been numerous times where not running away like everyone else would do and just swapping tanks or using special abilities like 2 hr cna actually save a pt.

More power to a whm if they start taking over haste duty or magic bursting after changing the renkei setup. I'd rather a mage ask for a different skillchain to test damages than for them to just sit there and want to do something but because they are just a mage they have no say. Basically we put our lives in any of the mage class's hands so we more than likely should listen to them.

*ponders if this is the topic that a ls member said I was flamed in and misunderstood*
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