With the recent changing of the HNM schedule, it's been pointed out that DynamisCatAttack will more than likely no longer be holding Dynamis events.. That leaves ONE english speaking Dynamis LS on the entire server..
One LS that is not taking mebmers. At all, so myself and others have been informed by it's leader.
What am I to do? What are the countless others who are now left in the dust to do? Make our own LS? IT would be unwise to start our own, mainly because we're all blind to dynamis, and aside from onlin guides, have nothing to go by..
One million gil is a lot to waste to go into Dynamis Blind, with 64 people that most likely have never gone, don't you think?
Case in point: SOmething must be done.
What to do: We have options... Sure, we COULD start a blind linkshell, but who would ACTUALLY join that? Is anyone really that stupid?
We could also seek out people who HAVE GOOD experience with Dynamis, with leading dynamis events, or are confident that they CAN lead dynamis events, and have THEM head a new linkshell..
Of course, if someone were willing to do this, I would gladly put up the gil for the linkshell, and aid in finding new members, to their liking of course...
But other than that, are there any other suggestions? Or should I take the last option: Wait for that ONE linkshell to have an opening, so I can push and shove my way in? [Not that they're altogether all gung-ho about taking a dragoon.]
Either way, I'm willing to listen to these suggestions, I don't very well want to sit on my thumb, after all :D
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i'm in^^ just wait till i'm 70, then you'll be happy, because when i hit 70 and get some cusion exp, i'm farming and camping NM till i have that damn TH3
edit: ok.. troll what was your reason for rating me down this time -.-'?
Edited, Thu Oct 7 04:53:49 2004 by Deadgye
edit: ok.. troll what was your reason for rating me down this time -.-'?
Edited, Thu Oct 7 04:53:49 2004 by Deadgye
Dear people I don't like: 凸(â—´―｀â—)凸
I'd Join a new one! But I'm not high enough level yet /sigh...
But as for being worried about it, It'd be just like the first people to go there. They didn't know anything about it, they went and hoped for the best. So who says others can't do the same?? I'm always up for an adventure of epic proportions. And I'm working on leveling my whm so hopefully sometime soon I'd be able to join if you make one ^^
But as for being worried about it, It'd be just like the first people to go there. They didn't know anything about it, they went and hoped for the best. So who says others can't do the same?? I'm always up for an adventure of epic proportions. And I'm working on leveling my whm so hopefully sometime soon I'd be able to join if you make one ^^
^^;;; Mostly because you lose a 1million gil investment if you go in blind. That's not worth it for me.
we could be a HNM ls at start, then work our way up a bit, THEN become a HNM/Dynamis ls ^^
Dear people I don't like: 凸(â—´―｀â—)凸
Bah, Lenwei yous got no sence of adventure!
Oooooh... Hmn = Yum ^^
And I must have shineing cloth (I think it is) before I can level my whm past 68 ><. Well I don't must have but I really want it... I wants my soooooo nice whm JSE... I wants it sooo bad... But I doubt I'll have it, so I'll just have to make due /sigh. Or I could just level Bard to 75 first... everybody loves a Bard! ^^
I think at least two of us agree that something new needs to be started... So why say no lets not, why not say lets start something?
Edit:: Deadgye I hate you (j/k)... I wanna signa... ^^;;
Edited, Thu Oct 7 05:27:05 2004 by WanderingBard
Oooooh... Hmn = Yum ^^
And I must have shineing cloth (I think it is) before I can level my whm past 68 ><. Well I don't must have but I really want it... I wants my soooooo nice whm JSE... I wants it sooo bad... But I doubt I'll have it, so I'll just have to make due /sigh. Or I could just level Bard to 75 first... everybody loves a Bard! ^^
I think at least two of us agree that something new needs to be started... So why say no lets not, why not say lets start something?
Edit:: Deadgye I hate you (j/k)... I wanna signa... ^^;;
Edited, Thu Oct 7 05:27:05 2004 by WanderingBard
1,000,000 / 64 = 15625. All things considered, not a whole lot of cash.
{Run Away!}
{Run Away!}
I was already talking about starting one up with another leader of another LS. Though I'm only lvl 68, I'd be willing to buy a shell, and get this thing rolling. If you want to, give me a /tell in game and I will head to buy it tonight.
I know there would have to be rules to this, and we would need members who have done Dynamis in the past. I just want to let you know I'm all for this, and I'll do what it takes to get this up and running.
I know there would have to be rules to this, and we would need members who have done Dynamis in the past. I just want to let you know I'm all for this, and I'll do what it takes to get this up and running.
Heck... I can front 15k easily... And I'm pretty sure most of you people higher level than I am can do it even easier. As soon as I get my Drk to 15 for my static I'm going all out with Bard ^^ With the sheer ammt of free time I have and the fast bard invites I should be your guys level pretty soon (I hope)! So save a spot for meeeeeeeeeeee!
Genos I have a new LS in my mog house if your going to start it send me a tell and I'll give it to you. I was going to start a LS for EF's and Garrisons and events and all but haven't found a lot of people who would want to join. So if you want it, it can be yours... just have to let me in when I can help out or I'll be angry >;P
Edited, Thu Oct 7 13:40:28 2004 by WanderingBard
Genos I have a new LS in my mog house if your going to start it send me a tell and I'll give it to you. I was going to start a LS for EF's and Garrisons and events and all but haven't found a lot of people who would want to join. So if you want it, it can be yours... just have to let me in when I can help out or I'll be angry >;P
Edited, Thu Oct 7 13:40:28 2004 by WanderingBard
Haha, some ground rules of who will be let in/left out have to be set. Level requirements, people who listen, people who cooperate, etc. I also liked Kittycat's idea of not allowing people who don't get along with people in. Ie: Jaffla, etc. Personally I have no blacklist, though there are some people I will avoid :D
it's not a bad idea but here are things to think about:
1) you need people that know what they're doing to lead (sorry to say that puts you out Genos, just as it does lenwei and myself.)
2) Whoever knows wtf they're doing needs to have the shell, and make sacks of those who know how to work it.
3) You need to have a group meeting and come up with the system of lotting, as well as the other minor details.
4) THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. DO NOT invite people who WILL NOT LISTEN, or will ARGUE. Basically, if someone repeatedly back talks you and the method of doing things /pearlsnap, as bad as that sounds, one person out of synch, or doing something stupid to "just seeing if this is better" will get the entire 64 person group dead.
If you guys are really interested, get enough people 70-75, closer to the better, and see what happens. Find someone that's gone to numerous ones, and get them to lead.....but be VERY picky about that. You know by reputation who's greedy, who won't be fair, and in short, who not to pick for this task. Here's another thing, there is no 100% fair way of rolling on AF2, period. Kittycat's way was fair to newcomers, but once you get AF, if you're a popular job(pld/whm/blm) you're screwed for forever, basically. The points system, it's nice but it has to be daaaaamn well thought out. Free-lot, it's actually one of the best ways imo....If the job you are IN DYNAMIS WITH can use it, you are allowed to roll on it. If it's level 74 and you're 73, yet there's a 74 there, they can roll, you can't, if it's 74, you're 70, and nobody higher htan you is there, you can roll. At least everyone has a chance that way, even if "I went 7 times, he went 3, and he got AF2 before I did" happens. It's better than "I went 28 times, he went 20, and I couldn't even roll on it...." imo >.>
1) you need people that know what they're doing to lead (sorry to say that puts you out Genos, just as it does lenwei and myself.)
2) Whoever knows wtf they're doing needs to have the shell, and make sacks of those who know how to work it.
3) You need to have a group meeting and come up with the system of lotting, as well as the other minor details.
4) THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. DO NOT invite people who WILL NOT LISTEN, or will ARGUE. Basically, if someone repeatedly back talks you and the method of doing things /pearlsnap, as bad as that sounds, one person out of synch, or doing something stupid to "just seeing if this is better" will get the entire 64 person group dead.
If you guys are really interested, get enough people 70-75, closer to the better, and see what happens. Find someone that's gone to numerous ones, and get them to lead.....but be VERY picky about that. You know by reputation who's greedy, who won't be fair, and in short, who not to pick for this task. Here's another thing, there is no 100% fair way of rolling on AF2, period. Kittycat's way was fair to newcomers, but once you get AF, if you're a popular job(pld/whm/blm) you're screwed for forever, basically. The points system, it's nice but it has to be daaaaamn well thought out. Free-lot, it's actually one of the best ways imo....If the job you are IN DYNAMIS WITH can use it, you are allowed to roll on it. If it's level 74 and you're 73, yet there's a 74 there, they can roll, you can't, if it's 74, you're 70, and nobody higher htan you is there, you can roll. At least everyone has a chance that way, even if "I went 7 times, he went 3, and he got AF2 before I did" happens. It's better than "I went 28 times, he went 20, and I couldn't even roll on it...." imo >.>
Kurai, that's EXACTLY my point. I would not feel altogether comfortable creating a linkshell for something I've had no experience with, nor would I feel comfortable being in one with someone who has equally no experience..
That was my dillema.. I don't know anyone who's got good dynamis experience, and good leadership experience that would be willing to leave the Dynamis Linkshell that they're in and comfortable with, just so others could have a shot at dynamis. It's more of the selfish factor, people like that don't care about those who are left out, and it's more than likely not going to happen, as much as we'd like it to be.
Unfortunately, our only option WOULD be to make a blind linkshell.. And I DO have a linkshell of my own that I don't use that I'd be willing to put forth, but it seems like a waste of time, especially since I would not even know where to start.. And I doubt anyone else does either..
For lotting matters: Kurai hasthe right idea. Lot if you can use it. I wouldn't think it's fair for some PLD to lot on SMN AF2 when his SMN is only level 30, after all... But that's not even the issue at hand..
Once again stated, it's the leadership. Is there anyone on Ragnarok willing to take the helm and be able to do it effectively, all the while leaving the dynamis linkshell they're in, or even splitting their time between the two? I don't think so. Either way, even if DCA ISNT closing, they're still bound to leave out a LOT of people. I myself have applied and I do not think I would be accepted, however, I did try. My point: A lot of perfectly decent players are going to be left out, and we need to find someone with leadership skills and dynamis experience who is willing to help those people out, even if I'm excluded from it for one reason or another. I want more people to have the opportunity to go. Ask your friends who have done dynamis.. Ask anyone you'd think would be a good leader.
That was my dillema.. I don't know anyone who's got good dynamis experience, and good leadership experience that would be willing to leave the Dynamis Linkshell that they're in and comfortable with, just so others could have a shot at dynamis. It's more of the selfish factor, people like that don't care about those who are left out, and it's more than likely not going to happen, as much as we'd like it to be.
Unfortunately, our only option WOULD be to make a blind linkshell.. And I DO have a linkshell of my own that I don't use that I'd be willing to put forth, but it seems like a waste of time, especially since I would not even know where to start.. And I doubt anyone else does either..
For lotting matters: Kurai hasthe right idea. Lot if you can use it. I wouldn't think it's fair for some PLD to lot on SMN AF2 when his SMN is only level 30, after all... But that's not even the issue at hand..
Once again stated, it's the leadership. Is there anyone on Ragnarok willing to take the helm and be able to do it effectively, all the while leaving the dynamis linkshell they're in, or even splitting their time between the two? I don't think so. Either way, even if DCA ISNT closing, they're still bound to leave out a LOT of people. I myself have applied and I do not think I would be accepted, however, I did try. My point: A lot of perfectly decent players are going to be left out, and we need to find someone with leadership skills and dynamis experience who is willing to help those people out, even if I'm excluded from it for one reason or another. I want more people to have the opportunity to go. Ask your friends who have done dynamis.. Ask anyone you'd think would be a good leader.
*knock knock* you're missing something even after saying it... :E
DCA Isn't exactly dead, but it's had NO action in forever, that leaves 63~ people out there that don't do dynamis anymore or have joined other linkshells. Surely one of them would put forward the advice needed right? You can find the roster on kitty's site if you really want to go off with it >.>. There's tons of them that were unhappy with kitty's methods on it anyway. It's just a matter of finding them~
DCA Isn't exactly dead, but it's had NO action in forever, that leaves 63~ people out there that don't do dynamis anymore or have joined other linkshells. Surely one of them would put forward the advice needed right? You can find the roster on kitty's site if you really want to go off with it >.>. There's tons of them that were unhappy with kitty's methods on it anyway. It's just a matter of finding them~
Well you have to start somewhere, and I was planning on making one when I hit lvl 70 anyway.
You can't always have someone with experience, otherwise none of the other linkshells would have started.
You can't always have someone with experience, otherwise none of the other linkshells would have started.
there's truth to that, but I really don't think it'd be a good idea to do so lol. BUT that's just my opinion.
Yeah at this point it is rather unwise to go into it without someone with experience, BECAUSE there's people with experience. Just my input on the matter.
I'd be crazy enough to go in with nobody with experience. It's called adventure... The first people to do it went in blind so why can't anyone else? How do you think any of the existing LSes started? Possibly a bunch of people with no idea getting together and deciding to do it?
Sheesh... wheres the fun in knowing everything about the situation your walking into... sounds rather boring to me...
Sheesh... wheres the fun in knowing everything about the situation your walking into... sounds rather boring to me...
You're lvl 31? You'd think twice about that when you found out just how much xps you lose when you die at 70+. Trust me, it isn't worth it.
Even the most organized group of people that have done it countless times make mistakes. One mistake could easily kill you, and everyone in there(I'm reminded of a story where they whole group was tiptoe'n past a house full of monsters they didn't want to fight to get to the boss, and a rdm stopped and cast refresh which magic aggro'd them and boom, everyone dies...simple mistake, he's done dynamis before, he just wasn't thinking). Beyond that you're going to die A LOT in there, period, not much else to say about it. Plds and blms are sacrifices to the hoarde. Whms are sacrifies to the party. Once everyone zenmetsus, the whms can't reraise a lot due to area and time constraints, they have to zone back(full exp loss), come back, and Raise III everyone. All that being said, a ton of 70s going in it without a plan or some clue how would be REALLY bad. I'm all for the "well, we'll just be pioneers, nobody was doing it before the first ones yanno?" ideal.......but not when it's offset by the fact that people HAVE done it and could quite possibly be sitting around waiting for someone to throw the idea at them of starting another up(especially if they don't realize they're waiting). Remember, 70+ a LOT of people have set parties and cannot afford 6k+ exp loss with little to no gain.
It's not like I was planning on only inviting people who have not done dynamis. There are people who want to get started as well. It's just like adding a new member. I don't have a problem listening to experienced people say "we have to do it this way", because I do know about some of those horror stories.
Some people don't like to organize things like this. You don't seem like you want to organize these events, but want someone else to. I am offering to set dates, keep track of the money, and listen to what experienced people have to say. I'd rather give it a shot and fail than to not even try.
Dynamis: NA players Unite! Please read ^^;; unless you have no experience in dynamis
Some people don't like to organize things like this. You don't seem like you want to organize these events, but want someone else to. I am offering to set dates, keep track of the money, and listen to what experienced people have to say. I'd rather give it a shot and fail than to not even try.
Dynamis: NA players Unite! Please read ^^;; unless you have no experience in dynamis
Lenwei I'm quite aware of the exp loss at that level. However I'd rather lose the exp (and have to spend hours or however long getting it back) for the oppertunity to do one of the few things that keeps me playing the game. I'm not playing to get to level 75 or anything like that. If I were I'd be there (Been playing since the NA PC release). I'm playing to explore, do events and have fun. If doing any of those results in my characters death I could care less as I was enjoying myself.
Everyone plays differently. I play my way, and my way cares less for such things than yours.
Everyone plays differently. I play my way, and my way cares less for such things than yours.
I personally can't help much as my lvl is too low for dynamis. If i ever do reach that lvl I'll give you a /tell.
Nice post.. /rate up ^^
Nice post.. /rate up ^^
well I mean, go ahead and do it, but I guess what I'm trying to say is, I'm not sure I would follow you. I know you're nice and all, a loooooong time ago you even helped me with rank 5 if I remember correctly. But I'm not sure I'd put my faith in your ability to lead a linkshell dedicated to something you know veeeery little about, and haven't experienced yet. What you're wanting to do sounds more like a sack's job to me. I mean, get someone who knows wtf is going on and can give instructions/strategies to make the shell, and if he doesn't like scheduling he can make you be a sack and you do that...if he doesn't want to keep up with the money he can delegate that responsibility too. But when it comes down to it, I think the one giving orders in dynamis should be holding the shell. Too many things could pop up that the a shell may need to take care of...People look at the shell as a leader afterall, they should have at least be experienced(since there are those that are experienced available in this instance) and knowledgable, yanno? Or maybe I'm just alone in that thought lol.
Edited, Fri Oct 8 17:02:11 2004 by Kuraiholy
Edited, Fri Oct 8 17:02:11 2004 by Kuraiholy
Good Info. As you will see in the Sig, This is not something on my list in the near future :p
Just rolling an Alliance to do Eco-Warrior shows the terror of:
Poor Leadership
Quarrels for Power
Smart *** Comments
Negative Feedback w/o Presenting a Better Alternative
And just Plain Whiners.
I Could Only guess how Crazy 64 ppl Coordinating must be, and when the time comes, you bet I would want to play w/ People from my LS, and other folks I met on the Server, and know as Compitent and Mature Players.
I Got some (SP) Err's I'm sure, but it was a good read in here, and I wish you Folks luck on Rockin the Dynamis.
Just rolling an Alliance to do Eco-Warrior shows the terror of:
Poor Leadership
Quarrels for Power
Smart *** Comments
Negative Feedback w/o Presenting a Better Alternative
And just Plain Whiners.
I Could Only guess how Crazy 64 ppl Coordinating must be, and when the time comes, you bet I would want to play w/ People from my LS, and other folks I met on the Server, and know as Compitent and Mature Players.
I Got some (SP) Err's I'm sure, but it was a good read in here, and I wish you Folks luck on Rockin the Dynamis.
on a follwup, I'm going to poke around and see what I can find out about people wanting to do dynamis and potential leaders. If you guys could get me a list of names/jobs/levels that are interested, if I hit up some people with that info then we may be able to get something rolling. Basically I have 20-30 people, a lot of them very experienced with dynamis, wanting to do some runs...just for items, not winning....yet maaaaybe if we can find enough to fill it, we'd be able to win them, because our final goal of course would be full relic, yanno? Don't /t me in game if you find out people or anything, I zone so much or could be busy and miss it(thus why you /befriend kcat and send message, same thing really). Post it here, and I'll keep checking. Get on the game and post to gimme who ya got. I don't want to be stuffy with it but try to keep it 70+ or "Will definitely be 70 by the time you guys could go"s please :E
*wave @ Kurai* You know I'm in. lol.
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