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Well, looks like the 8800 GTX was out in Nov. 2006, equipped with 768 MB GDDR3 RAM. From wiki: Apparently it originally retailed for around $600.

For CPUs, the Core 2 Extreme QX6700 came out in Nov. 2006 as well, clocked at 2.67 GHz, for around $1000.

You're probably talking around 2 GB DDR2 1066 for RAM.

Edit: Oh, neat! I found a Tweaktown article on building a gaming PC from 2006 here.

The relevant part:


Edited, May 23rd 2013 4:48pm by Spoonless

Reading is generally worth doing.

There is a good handful of game (Halo Reach/4) that wont play on he 4 gig cheapo 360 because they NEED the install space. Placing some games in a 4 gig will error out saying not enough drive space to play the game. I often would here people come in asking about that. Some games even had to start listing it onb the package ( Installation required).

Thats another thing about the Xbox nickel and diming you. The Standard HDD on a launch 360 was 20 gigs I believe. that would be terrible around now when everything wants to install, and you cant replace it with anything other then the proprietary HDD. I mean My PS3 160 gig was full, and I tossed in a spare 320 7400 Rpm from a laptop.

Also wanted to point out one thing about internet checking/Xbox live. Consoles are designed to be affordable, unlike custom gaming pcs . Most people from lower class that buy them do so around tax time. So what happens if go forbi you get laid off and cant have net? Dead system. I have a few friends that go months without net because he works a job for 12, his wife is stay at home mom with there under 5 kids. Sometimes internet just isnt a necessity above food.
He has a ps3 he got with taxes, if it had been an Xbox One it would be a dead system.

Thats really the entire argument to defeat this stupid always online BS. I mean 20% of American houses dont have internet, and if you took smart phones off that list maybe higher with no landline internet. I understand a good percentage of those people would never buy an Xbox one, but how many have kids they would pick one up for for a birthday etc.

Okay, yeah, that was too much. I apologize, I was pissed because I was sitting in stopped traffic and it wasn't your fault.

That said,



As for the subject matter, the majority of 360s had hard drives, but installation wasn't possible regardless. That was added in 2008, 3 years after the system launched. My comments of my liking it for the Xbox One had to do with the fact that the potential that a user couldn't install would not be a factor in content decisions now.

With the current system, a feature that would drive up load times for a console without an HDD would be abandoned. With a model in which every system involves installation, that is no longer an issue. The Core, and later Arcade, were on the market until mid 2010.

So, yes, users can install now on the xbox 360. They couldn't at launch, and the fact that not all could still be a real, and significant, influence on product development.

Well, XP handled 4GB worth of memory, including the video card. In 2006, 512MB was the standard stick size, and 1GB was starting to become more common. After looking up the mobo in the above listing, it apparently only had 2 RAM slots, which is likely why it only had 2GB of ram, but at $400 for the matched pair, I'm not certain there'd be any real reason to bump up to 4GB even if the mobo could accommodate it.

TOP OF THE LINE!

I apologize, Eske. That's what I get for skimming posts. Now I feel like a Gbaji, shrouded in Varus ,wrapped in an Alma.

He should have uploaded it and posted it like a normal, Kao-fearing, Premium owner.

Being able to purchase one is really neither here nor there, as you really shouldn't assume they will have purchased one. It's just really awful design.

Very fair. I honestly had only seen the comment in the quote - I missed your response entirely. The little green arrow brought me to Bean's post.

As for the concept of installation, I can see your point about not thinking it important (though I do feel like PCs and consoles had drifted sufficiently close at the time that someone should have noted it - the concept of installing DLC and updates to your machine already existed, afterall).

What confuses me is that the PS3 launched, and installation proved a great way to severely cut load times without sacrificing any of the environment, and the 360 proceeds to launch the Xbox Arcade, to replace the core, without a hard drive. I just don't really understand it.

You'd think 1) adding the HDD (and installation ability) and 2) adding native wifi would have been a great way to really pounce on selling features of the PS3. But they didn't even add the installation capability until a year after the Arcade's launch, a full two years after the PS3 launched.

Those delays helped the PS3 catch up, because cross-platform games were becoming, more and more, the bread-and-butter of the generation. The low load times were a major feature in pretty much every gaming article about the games, and with the PS3 holding its own graphically, it was definitely increasingly attractive. This is most notable as the year headstart for the 360 was mattering far less now that a backlog of titles was far less of a selling point.

It just strikes me as a really odd set of business decisions.

But, you know, to be 100% fair Microsoft is a very different company from Sony. Sony has a far larger stake in the hardware market than Microsoft, who only aggressively made that leap more recently. So while I don't doubt the 360 was important to them, it probably wasn't nearly as important as the Xbox One is.

I'd be really interested in seeing their profits for Windows 8, from launch to now, next to their profits on Xbox Live for one year.

I know at the time the Arcade launched, it was still more expensive to buy that plus a 20GB HDD than it was to buy the 20GB Xbox bundle, but I think either the Arcade price or the 20GB HDD price had dropped by the time my brother bought his, because he got the Arcade, since he wasn't planning on playing online, and later bought a 20GB HDD and the total amount paid was in line with the 20GB bundle. Maybe he got one or both during a sale.

I bet. I'm just wondering about the public consumer side of things. I doubt Windows 8 sales have been all that huge. Actually, I doubt their business 8 sales have been awesome, either. I'm sure that'll change in time, but it hasn't been out long enough to be worthwhile for companies to switch.



I can't agree, because I literally never once saw the installation requirement even mentioned as a con, precisely because it always meant faster load times.

I'd bet a hell of a lot of cash that the VAST majority of people don't even know about any technical differences between formats, gamers included. As in, nearly no one. Most gamers now probably just think of Blu Ray is a better HD DVD format, and would have no clue of anything else.

As for the disc -> download feature, that's just something that I would consider absolutely central to this generation. If they PS4 doesn't offer that as well, it would be ridiculous. In that same vein, the ability to install the full game from the disc should also be a possibility, so you don't need to always run from it.