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#77 Dec 17 2013 at 7:13 AM Rating: Excellent
Again their logic assumes that people hoard gil for the next three months for their house, and don't spend gil on a daily basis.
#78 Dec 17 2013 at 7:17 AM Rating: Excellent
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Catwho wrote:
Again their logic assumes that people hoard gil for the next three months for their house, and don't spend gil on a daily basis.


I guess that's do-able. Just sit in town and DF everything, or ride your chocobo everywhere you need to go. As long as you're on the mainland and don't need to visit LL, or vice-versa, I guess you don't ever have to spend a penny.

OH! I KNOW! I'll farm shards for the next 3 months... lol... so dumb. I can't believe he's defending his decision.

Make it so that only 1 FC (and one account) can purchase 1 plot of land, and make them non-transferrable. Land grab solved. If they didn't have the infrastructure to make it available to everyone, they shouldn't have released it.
#79 Dec 17 2013 at 7:26 AM Rating: Default
LebargeX wrote:
If they didn't have the infrastructure to make it available to everyone, they shouldn't have released it.


The "if I don't get to participate nobody should be able to" mentality. How nice of you.

Edited, Dec 17th 2013 4:26pm by Hyanmen
#80 Dec 17 2013 at 7:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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Hyanmen wrote:
LebargeX wrote:
If they didn't have the infrastructure to make it available to everyone, they shouldn't have released it.


The "if I don't get to participate nobody should be able to" mentality. How nice of you.

Edited, Dec 17th 2013 4:26pm by Hyanmen


Every other system in the game is available to everyone upon release. He's stating they deliberately priced it out of range of nearly everyone because they didn't have the hardware resources.

Think about it... if you can....
#81REDACTED, Posted: Dec 17 2013 at 7:33 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) So in essence "delay the system because I can't participate even though many others would be able to". Please tell me if what I said is inaccurate.
#82 Dec 17 2013 at 7:50 AM Rating: Excellent
I'm sorry, I don't feel any sympathy for people who have stockpiled over 100 million gil not being able to spend it right away.
#83 Dec 17 2013 at 7:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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Hyanmen wrote:
LebargeX wrote:
Hyanmen wrote:
LebargeX wrote:
If they didn't have the infrastructure to make it available to everyone, they shouldn't have released it.


The "if I don't get to participate nobody should be able to" mentality. How nice of you.

Edited, Dec 17th 2013 4:26pm by Hyanmen


Every other system in the game is available to everyone upon release. He's stating they deliberately priced it out of range of nearly everyone because they didn't have the hardware resources.

Think about it... if you can....


So in essence "delay the system because I can't participate even though many others would be able to". Please tell me if what I said is inaccurate.

Edited, Dec 17th 2013 4:33pm by Hyanmen


1.) There are 80 posts, just in this thread arguing that this is a mistep, not to mention hundreds if not thousands of posts in mulitple languages. The word "many" is a gross mistatement on your part.

2.) I'm not saying "I" can't participate. In fact, nowhere in any of my posts did I use that word (until just now). I said everyone. In fact, if I added my savings to what we have in the FC bank, we'd be way closer to a small house (at the low end).

3.) While the word everyone does include me, quoting something and then not putting what the actual phrase was in quotes is libelous and misleading.

4.) Your capitalization and punctuation are inaccurate. While that may not necessarily be germain to the meaning of your post, I'm feeling a bit saucy this morning :P

Edited, Dec 17th 2013 5:51am by LebargeX
#84REDACTED, Posted: Dec 17 2013 at 8:10 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) The word "many" can mean a lot of things, but to say that "people (plural) exist that can make use of this feature even now" is a gross mistatement... Well, I think it's not me making a gross mistatement here. Especially including the non-Legacy worlds and their populations that need much less than 100 mil to utilize the feature, something that Catwho can't seem to be able to understand.
#85 Dec 17 2013 at 8:13 AM Rating: Excellent
So, which house is your FC buying tonight then, Hyanmen? Or in three months after you've farmed daily and done no other content?
#86 Dec 17 2013 at 8:32 AM Rating: Default
Catwho wrote:
So, which house is your FC buying tonight then, Hyanmen? Or in three months after you've farmed daily and done no other content?


Will it make my argument moot if I told you I'm not buying a house tonight, Catwho? Will it mean that there is nobody out there who will? I'm not the representation of the playerbase, even if I dare to go as far as to say these kind of people exist.

Maybe you need to see pictures of non-Donald Trumps building houses for you to be able to believe these lies of mine, right? Otherwise your narrative will not falter: only hundred-millionaires can participate.

Edited, Dec 17th 2013 5:33pm by Hyanmen
#87 Dec 17 2013 at 8:46 AM Rating: Excellent
I think my point was that anyone who does have hundred million gil lying around is probably also upset at these housing prices, because you don't just sink that kind of cash into a vanity purchase. You also don't get that kind of cash on hand by being a big spender.

There will be some big FCs out there that happen to have the money for a big house on hand, and more power to them. But even I suspect they're going to wait for the price to drop a lot. Why spend all your money on something today when you can get it for half off in three months?
#88REDACTED, Posted: Dec 17 2013 at 9:25 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) That's why it's important that there is a competition over plots. Otherwise there is no meaning to it.
#89 Dec 17 2013 at 9:55 AM Rating: Decent
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I sit at around 10k. Then I make some money, say 50k, then I go gear up some off-class. Back to 10k.

I just don't enjoy crafting or gathering all that much. There I said it. I did at one point but then I got bored with it. That is the route to making Gil though, as well as understanding the market and spending time at the AH board. Nah, I'll just keep doing what I enjoy instead.

So my FC wants to get a house and they will ask, "Gnu you have anything to contribute?" and I'm going to be like, "Not really, sorry. ><" This is the first time my personal play style is going to be a detriment to my FC. I guess we need a new level of promotions in our FC, "House Owners" or something, which I won't be part of.

Really though, the profits for RMT just shot through the roof. Anyone watch prices on Gil? I don't, but I can guess they just skyrocketed. Yoshi has just made Gil selling/buying a critical part of being a high-end player in FFXIV.

FC housing should have been bought with FC participation/rank credits. And that's all there is to it.




Absolutely this. It's FC housing for god sakes... why not use the credits that each FC member unconsciously accumulates on a daily basis? This is the way it should be, whereas personal housing (whenever that comes out) can be bought with gil.

Someone on this thread (Forgot who, dont wanna read the walls of text again) said that SE basically handed RMTs a golden ticket by doing this. Truer words were never spoken. I'll wager RMTs the world over are crying tears of joy as we speak in anticipation of their incoming payday =\


There you go... This is the solution...


Also Yoshi-P is worried the rich will buy up all the land? Why is there a limit on what could be bought then? They will only buy what they need if it is unlimited land.

I also am happy they are making gil more valuable but this is insane...

Edited, Dec 17th 2013 11:06am by Nashred
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#90 Dec 17 2013 at 10:01 AM Rating: Good
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Hehe, so if there are 10 people on a given legacy server that have basically spent their entire existance amassing 100 million gil, SE asks: " What will you pay to be the cool kid that gets the first house?"

Maybe it is their way of providing incentive to take a massive amount of gil out of rotation?

Eh, I can wait.
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I think my point was that anyone who does have hundred million gil lying around is probably also upset at these housing prices, because you don't just sink that kind of cash into a vanity purchase. You also don't get that kind of cash on hand by being a big spender.

There will be some big FCs out there that happen to have the money for a big house on hand, and more power to them. But even I suspect they're going to wait for the price to drop a lot. Why spend all your money on something today when you can get it for half off in three months?


I think there will also be those in addition to what you said that have the money and dont buy at all going its a 100 million.. I am not spending that kind of money even at 1/2 the price. Really I have a 100 million and you want me to spend it on just a house... Thats just too much money period.


Edited, Dec 17th 2013 11:07am by Nashred
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#92REDACTED, Posted: Dec 19 2013 at 8:45 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I think this is pretty accessible content. It'll be one to three months max for prices to be at their lowest which are all pretty reasonable for something that's essentially end game for crafters.
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Went through the residential area on our server last night for gridania and not one sold.. .
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#95 Dec 19 2013 at 11:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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Hyanmen wrote:
So in essence "delay the system because I can't participate even though many others would be able to". Please tell me if what I said is inaccurate.

Edited, Dec 17th 2013 4:33pm by Hyanmen


Your statement is inaccurate. Many implies a large amount. There are not many players who are enjoying this content currently. In fact, on Ultros there has not been a single plot of land bought as of yet. That's not even "few". That's none. Hence, inaccurate statement.


Hyanmen wrote:
The word "many" can mean a lot of things, but to say that "people (plural) exist that can make use of this feature even now" is a gross mistatement... Well, I think it's not me making a gross mistatement here. Especially including the non-Legacy worlds and their populations that need much less than 100 mil to utilize the feature, something that Catwho can't seem to be able to understand.

People with less than 100 million gil can make use of this feature today. If you can't feel sympathy for the 100 million McDuck's then I wish you would at least feel sympathy for the rest of the folks out there.

All of these people wouldn't be able to use this feature because you want to delay it. The claim that there are FC's on Asura with 4 million combined wealth is "a gross mistatement on my part." All of these people (plural) are denied the access to the content because there is an entitled group out there that can't access it.


No, the word many actually doesn't mean a lot of things. Almost every definition I've seen says it means consisting of or amounting to a large but indefinite number. Go look it up if you don't believe me. There are not a large amount of people using the system as mentioned above. Almost no one has utilized it after 2 full days. I've asked friends on several other servers, and not one person on a new server I've talked to has even seen a plot purchased yet.

People don't want to spend every penny they've earned on housing, even the ones who can afford it currently. Why might that be? Because the current pricing is just not worth it. Hence, it is overpriced. So out of the very small (re: not many) players who can afford houses, even fewer actually have purchased due to prices being higher than they are willing to pay for a vanity item/status symbol. So basically, you're saying the system is fine because a tiny handful of players can use it, while the overwhelmingly vast majority cannot or will not currently, and most would have to continually grind gil almost every day for 3 months to be able to purchase in most cases. Do you not see the flaws in your logic? They seem pretty obvious.

Edited, Dec 19th 2013 12:28pm by BartelX
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#96 Dec 19 2013 at 11:28 AM Rating: Excellent
My FC leader also noted that "three months" is about the time TESO is slated to come out. A few of our members will probably disappear. Smiley: frown

What happens to a FC that is saving up for a house if a leader cleans out the bank and server transfers with the money, I wonder? **** moves like that happened in FFXI quite a few times.
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My FC leader also noted that "three months" is about the time TESO is slated to come out. A few of our members will probably disappear. Smiley: frown

What happens to a FC that is saving up for a house if a leader cleans out the bank and server transfers with the money, I wonder? **** moves like that happened in FFXI quite a few times.



Omg yes.. I dont know how many LS were started just to clean out the bank eventually.... I have been in ones where in the end the money was distributed evenly at the end and ones where I have no idea where the money went.. All those abc that were sold and dyna currency...

I am with ZAM FC so I dont think that is a issue..

Pretty good people in this FC...

But oh yea you donate all this money and the FC leader takes it and transfers and also changes his name..

What happens if the fc fails?. The leaders I assume are the ones that can sell the house.

You do realise you just opened a whole new can of worms.

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Thievery was obviously one of my concerns with the housing system. Placed furniture not being resellable alleviates that a bit, but indeed the initial fundraising can still be concern. My take on that is for people to not actually put the gil in the bank, but instead one of their retainers and give periodic updates to leadership to how much you wish to contribute. Then when the time comes, everyone can donate. It's still a risk, but the window of theft is significantly narrowed and I suspect GM involvement could be more readily called upon.
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Nashred wrote:
Went through the residential area on our server last night for gridania and not one sold.. .


On Gilgamesh the free company MagiTaint has purchased housing in Gridania. I went and toured the place. It was mostly empty, with about 3 free company members afk in it. There was basic furniture there, as well as a couple hot tubs and a shower in the basement. The 2nd floor was barren aside from a single bed with a FC member sleeping in it.

My overall impression was "they paid that much for THIS?"

I guess I just wasnt impressed at all. Looking at the house, which was one of the larger ones it seemed, didn't seem like it was worth the money put into it. Maybe that will change with time as more exotic decorations come out.
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Nashred wrote:
Went through the residential area on our server last night for gridania and not one sold.. .


On Gilgamesh the free company MagiTaint has purchased housing in Gridania. I went and toured the place. It was mostly empty, with about 3 free company members afk in it. There was basic furniture there, as well as a couple hot tubs and a shower in the basement. The 2nd floor was barren aside from a single bed with a FC member sleeping in it.

My overall impression was "they paid that much for THIS?"

I guess I just wasnt impressed at all. Looking at the house, which was one of the larger ones it seemed, didn't seem like it was worth the money put into it. Maybe that will change with time as more exotic decorations come out.


It's the medium sized house, which to me is actually fairly large. Yes we paid that much for it, because we decided not to wait another 3 months of saving, for the same reasons as mentioned, a lot may be leaving for ESO and we were tired of the stress people were having, and we just wanted to get it done and over with.

You must have only been in there on the first day... (in fact I know it was, we had to lock it from visitors by the 2nd)... we've added a lot of furniture to the main floor and upstairs since then.


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