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#27 Oct 09 2013 at 8:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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As long as they get on Vent/Mumble/TS3, I don't care what platform they use.
#28 Oct 09 2013 at 9:13 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm not aware of any fued, lol.

Also, I've been 100% controller since day 1 and I find the controller MUCH easier to dodge things like Titan. I couldn't imagine ever going back to keyboard.
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#29 Oct 09 2013 at 9:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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I use PS3.... and yesterday when my group kept wiping to Hard mode Titan, I let it be known that I was the last man to die, and jump off the edge after everyone kept dying. Then after run 5, I said, lets stay out these Aoe's people please, then someone was like they are probably PS3 users... and I was like I'm PS3, you don't see me dying LOL. Everyone went quiet.

It just a few guys that have a ps3 and no keyboard, which makes it seems like we are all lames who can't communicate, or get on teamspeak. And when it comes down to healing people all you do is a dpad touch down or up to highlight the person you want to heal. Lock on tank, and off target those in danger. It's just that a few pc players probably had some bad experiences. I have a friend on PS3 and he types hella slow, and never really talks so I can understand where they are getting it from. With a PS3 controller on the real, you can get so accustomed to your moves, that you don't even have to look at the menu bar, you are just doing it with muscle memory keeping your eyes on the battlefield 100 percent of the time.
#30 Oct 09 2013 at 10:14 AM Rating: Good
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For targeting in regards to Tanks or Healers... Couldn't you always just use a mouse with ps3?


Yes and no. You can use the mouse but you would have to click you skills. I suppose it's possible to target party members with f1-f8 and click skills but I don't know, it doesn't seem appealing to me. You could also map R2/L2 and the other buttons to keyboard to simulate the crossbar on the keyboard but it seems worst than using just the controller.

I'm a PS3 player, and after my first 8 player instance I decided to give up my white mage that had just dinged 50. It's just not fun to me. Playable, sure. Fun, not to me.
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#31 Oct 09 2013 at 10:18 AM Rating: Good
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I'm not aware of any fued, lol.

Also, I've been 100% controller since day 1 and I find the controller MUCH easier to dodge things like Titan. I couldn't imagine ever going back to keyboard.


There is most definitely a feud between PC gamers against PS3 players. I've never actually debated with these people, but I see the drama in shouts all the time. FC's literally brag about "NO PS3 users" in their company. These aren't isolated incidents either. On the other hand, all of these FC's are what I would call elitist guilds. It's not just PS3 users, it's also "gimped non-relic" players in their mind. Still PS3 users take all the flack. It's as if console gamers are reduced to CoD morons that can't play anything that requires a challenge. That really confuses me though since Final Fantasy series is a console game that was ported to PC. I could also mention rpg's like Dark Souls, but I think it's more about elitism over the hardware then the skill of the player.

As a PS3 user, I think everyone needs voice chat though. I don't tolerate the "don't have a PC" excuse either. Phones and tablets have these apps on them. So I think that's a fair tradeoff for those who play on console like I do. I've also touted the praises of SSD to anyone who will listen. It's so much of a help, I can't stop recommending it enough.
#32 Oct 10 2013 at 1:33 AM Rating: Good
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ShadowedgeFFXI wrote:
Louiscool wrote:
I'm not aware of any fued, lol.

Also, I've been 100% controller since day 1 and I find the controller MUCH easier to dodge things like Titan. I couldn't imagine ever going back to keyboard.


There is most definitely a feud between PC gamers against PS3 players. I've never actually debated with these people, but I see the drama in shouts all the time. FC's literally brag about "NO PS3 users" in their company. These aren't isolated incidents either. On the other hand, all of these FC's are what I would call elitist guilds. It's not just PS3 users, it's also "gimped non-relic" players in their mind. Still PS3 users take all the flack. It's as if console gamers are reduced to CoD morons that can't play anything that requires a challenge. That really confuses me though since Final Fantasy series is a console game that was ported to PC. I could also mention rpg's like Dark Souls, but I think it's more about elitism over the hardware then the skill of the player.

As a PS3 user, I think everyone needs voice chat though. I don't tolerate the "don't have a PC" excuse either. Phones and tablets have these apps on them. So I think that's a fair tradeoff for those who play on console like I do. I've also touted the praises of SSD to anyone who will listen. It's so much of a help, I can't stop recommending it enough.


Nice post. I've always wondered why people would ask for the voice support for the ps3. Haven't gotten to the content I'd need it for yet, but I just expected to use my phone or pc to communicate. Already have the apps/software ready. The controller keyboard offers adequate typing support for basic stuff, and the SSD was a huge upgrade. My biggest worry is them giving us access to the proper add-ons when they eventually come.
#33 Oct 10 2013 at 8:18 AM Rating: Good
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GongJr wrote:
ShadowedgeFFXI wrote:
Louiscool wrote:
I'm not aware of any fued, lol.

Also, I've been 100% controller since day 1 and I find the controller MUCH easier to dodge things like Titan. I couldn't imagine ever going back to keyboard.


There is most definitely a feud between PC gamers against PS3 players. I've never actually debated with these people, but I see the drama in shouts all the time. FC's literally brag about "NO PS3 users" in their company. These aren't isolated incidents either. On the other hand, all of these FC's are what I would call elitist guilds. It's not just PS3 users, it's also "gimped non-relic" players in their mind. Still PS3 users take all the flack. It's as if console gamers are reduced to CoD morons that can't play anything that requires a challenge. That really confuses me though since Final Fantasy series is a console game that was ported to PC. I could also mention rpg's like Dark Souls, but I think it's more about elitism over the hardware then the skill of the player.

As a PS3 user, I think everyone needs voice chat though. I don't tolerate the "don't have a PC" excuse either. Phones and tablets have these apps on them. So I think that's a fair tradeoff for those who play on console like I do. I've also touted the praises of SSD to anyone who will listen. It's so much of a help, I can't stop recommending it enough.


Nice post. I've always wondered why people would ask for the voice support for the ps3. Haven't gotten to the content I'd need it for yet, but I just expected to use my phone or pc to communicate. Already have the apps/software ready. The controller keyboard offers adequate typing support for basic stuff, and the SSD was a huge upgrade. My biggest worry is them giving us access to the proper add-ons when they eventually come.


Well, I use a laptop next to me for mumble in my FC. That works fine. I have heard so many good things about an SSD but to be honest the price tag with limited storage, atm, makes me want to just waste the money on a PS4.
#34 Oct 10 2013 at 8:59 AM Rating: Good
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I'm not saying you shouldn't put an SSD in your PS3, I just built a new computer about 2 months ago, and SSD are probably the greatest thing in the world right now LOL (my computer starts up in about 6 secs),

After reading some of the posts here, I did a search on this, if your are considering putting one in your PS3 you should probably read this article.

In the end I'm not sure its 100% worth it unless you just have extra money to toss around, especially with the PS4 just around the corner.
#35 Oct 10 2013 at 10:21 AM Rating: Decent
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I use PS3.... and yesterday when my group kept wiping to Hard mode Titan, I let it be known that I was the last man to die, and jump off the edge after everyone kept dying. Then after run 5, I said, lets stay out these Aoe's people please, then someone was like they are probably PS3 users... and I was like I'm PS3, you don't see me dying LOL. Everyone went quiet.

It just a few guys that have a ps3 and no keyboard, which makes it seems like we are all lames who can't communicate, or get on teamspeak. And when it comes down to healing people all you do is a dpad touch down or up to highlight the person you want to heal. Lock on tank, and off target those in danger. It's just that a few pc players probably had some bad experiences. I have a friend on PS3 and he types hella slow, and never really talks so I can understand where they are getting it from. With a PS3 controller on the real, you can get so accustomed to your moves, that you don't even have to look at the menu bar, you are just doing it with muscle memory keeping your eyes on the battlefield 100 percent of the time.


That has to do more with lag from internet connection than the ps3/pc... I would rather play with a ps3 player than someone with a crappy internet connection...

I have seen no lag ps3 vs pc other than load times and stuff simply not being displayed because the ps3 cant.

I should not say that there is no lag because there is in high traffic areas with stuff zoning in... But that should not affect fights...

The other thing people have been talking about is some enemies in dungeons wont show up on the ps3 unless your connection is good and you turn off all effects..

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#36 Oct 10 2013 at 10:38 AM Rating: Excellent
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ShadowedgeFFXI wrote:


As a PS3 user, I think everyone needs voice chat though. I don't tolerate the "don't have a PC" excuse either.


Now that's a feud worth having. Skilled players don't need someone yelling at them over voice comm to get out of the fire, or even to learn the fight. Voice comm is a crutch. Smiley: cool

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#37 Oct 10 2013 at 12:55 PM Rating: Good
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PhoenixOmbre wrote:
ShadowedgeFFXI wrote:


As a PS3 user, I think everyone needs voice chat though. I don't tolerate the "don't have a PC" excuse either.


Now that's a feud worth having. Skilled players don't need someone yelling at them over voice comm to get out of the fire, or even to learn the fight. Voice comm is a crutch. Smiley: cool

Your move!


It's not just to tell someone not to stand in fire. Strategies can change on the fly and it's a heck of a lot faster to give your friends instructions through voice chat than to type something out.
#38 Oct 10 2013 at 12:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Nice post. I've always wondered why people would ask for the voice support for the ps3. Haven't gotten to the content I'd need it for yet, but I just expected to use my phone or pc to communicate. Already have the apps/software ready. The controller keyboard offers adequate typing support for basic stuff, and the SSD was a huge upgrade. My biggest worry is them giving us access to the proper add-ons when they eventually come.


Thanks for the kind words. The PS3 version uses less memory than the PC version does so that helps. Plus you can delete game storage and just leave the save files. You can also use the PSN cloud too. I have a 120GB so I doubt I'll ever fill it this late in the PS3 lifecycle when I only retain save files and a few games. Yeah, the keyboard is fine for low level stuff, but endgame events are a wipefest without solid communication.
#39 Oct 10 2013 at 1:03 PM Rating: Decent
PhoenixOmbre wrote:
ShadowedgeFFXI wrote:


As a PS3 user, I think everyone needs voice chat though. I don't tolerate the "don't have a PC" excuse either.


Now that's a feud worth having. Skilled players don't need someone yelling at them over voice comm to get out of the fire, or even to learn the fight. Voice comm is a crutch. Smiley: cool

Your move!


The "crutch" is how players use cookie cutter setups and strategy to beat raids because they prefer to remove thinking out of the equation.This is never about skilled players not knowing what to do, this is about team work. However, if you have friends who are new, voice chat helps them more than "watching videos" or yelling at them in party chat with vague messages.
#40 Oct 10 2013 at 2:50 PM Rating: Good
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Torrence wrote:
PhoenixOmbre wrote:
ShadowedgeFFXI wrote:


As a PS3 user, I think everyone needs voice chat though. I don't tolerate the "don't have a PC" excuse either.


Now that's a feud worth having. Skilled players don't need someone yelling at them over voice comm to get out of the fire, or even to learn the fight. Voice comm is a crutch. Smiley: cool

Your move!


It's not just to tell someone not to stand in fire. Strategies can change on the fly and it's a heck of a lot faster to give your friends instructions through voice chat than to type something out.



Plus its just easier to talk to someone vs typing something out, I was in a pretty awesome guild during Burning Crusade, we spent 90% of the time during raids just discussing current events and what not. also not to mention that voice chat makes a huge difference in PvP
#41 Oct 10 2013 at 2:59 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm not saying you shouldn't put an SSD in your PS3, I just built a new computer about 2 months ago, and SSD are probably the greatest thing in the world right now LOL (my computer starts up in about 6 secs),

After reading some of the posts here, I did a search on this, if your are considering putting one in your PS3 you should probably read this article.

In the end I'm not sure its 100% worth it unless you just have extra money to toss around, especially with the PS4 just around the corner.


Nice article. I love seeing real-world tests like that.

One thing to note, though: You mentioned that the PS4 is right around the corner. Keep in mid that the SSD can be migrated to the PS4 if you choose, so it's not a total loss.

#42 Oct 10 2013 at 3:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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The "crutch" is how players use cookie cutter setups and strategy to beat raids because they prefer to remove thinking out of the equation


Math is a crutch.

On the topic of voice comms.. I was the healer officer for my guild during Cataclysm.. If something went wrong and assignments had to be changed in a hurry, do you honestly think that:
A: I had time to type all that out and...
B: Anyone else had time to read it?

Knowing what to do is great. Everyone should know what to do going in. But when something goes wrong, things get complicated, and instructions have to be given out so that everyone isn't improvising at the same time.
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#43 Oct 11 2013 at 9:24 AM Rating: Good
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Pickins wrote:

Nice article. I love seeing real-world tests like that.

One thing to note, though: You mentioned that the PS4 is right around the corner. Keep in mid that the SSD can be migrated to the PS4 if you choose, so it's not a total loss.




Yeah I guess I didn't think about that, its too bad it wont come with a SSD already, now that would be awesome!
#44 Oct 11 2013 at 11:26 AM Rating: Good
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PS3 user. For me, no I'm not vs PC, however as a PS3 user, I feel gymped because of the terrible controller and hotbar issues I experience. Load times are longer and I have to use sprint in dungeons to keep up.
It makes me feel bad. Also, strifing sucks, targeting sucks.

So, I suck.... ; ; ; ; ;
if SE FIXED the ps3 keybaord options and we could put macros on the keybaord (f1-f10), like in ffxi, it would help with the targeting issues. (I never had issues with ps2 and ffxi - never heard any complaints from pc players.)

So SE sucks, not ps3 players. Fix it SE.

As you can see, I conflicted.
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#45 Oct 11 2013 at 1:46 PM Rating: Decent
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PS3 user. For me, no I'm not vs PC, however as a PS3 user, I feel gymped because of the terrible controller and hotbar issues I experience. Load times are longer and I have to use sprint in dungeons to keep up.
It makes me feel bad. Also, strifing sucks, targeting sucks.

So, I suck.... ; ; ; ; ;
if SE FIXED the ps3 keybaord options and we could put macros on the keybaord (f1-f10), like in ffxi, it would help with the targeting issues. (I never had issues with ps2 and ffxi - never heard any complaints from pc players.)

So SE sucks, not ps3 players. Fix it SE.

As you can see, I conflicted.



I can really relate to this feeling of inadequacy. As a PS3 user, you have to plan accordingly to account for the limitations. My SSD upgrade helped with lag and loading mostly so that's one less problem to worry about. Now the targeting woes are something that aren't solved so easily. One of my tricks was to bind f11 to the space bar(swapped jump for targeting) so that does help me target faster. Yoshi's comments about the PS4 version provide hope for us console players. For one thing, he hinted at using the touchpad for things that a mouse would do. Because there is no select button(or start) on the PS4, I'm hoping this is exactly what he's thinking. A mouse interface for targetting might be easier with the touchpad if the area is congested. It would be badass if you could use the touchpad to target mobs only.
#46 Oct 11 2013 at 2:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Grandmomma wrote:
PS3 user. For me, no I'm not vs PC, however as a PS3 user, I feel gymped because of the terrible controller and hotbar issues I experience. Load times are longer and I have to use sprint in dungeons to keep up.
It makes me feel bad. Also, strifing sucks, targeting sucks.

So, I suck.... ; ; ; ; ;
if SE FIXED the ps3 keybaord options and we could put macros on the keybaord (f1-f10), like in ffxi, it would help with the targeting issues. (I never had issues with ps2 and ffxi - never heard any complaints from pc players.)

So SE sucks, not ps3 players. Fix it SE.

As you can see, I conflicted.


The targeting stinks on the pc too... The interface on the ps3 is clunky and there is long load times.. But why have to sprint in dungeons?
I like the hot bar and have no issues with it....
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