Suspended Users Over CraftingFollow

No one will ever admit it either so we'll never know the truth.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/63655-Translation-Japanese-to-English?p=1360291&viewfull=1#post1360291

So yeah, even though some will say "SE is just covering their tracks", SE doesn't have a habit of deciding to randomly suspend people, not in the 11 years of XI and they're not starting now.

You obviously didn't play FFXI, I know lots of people who were banned for not doing anything wrong... Just sending money to a mule or a friend could get you banned. The problem with SE is once banned they dont really give a crap and it is hard nto near impossible to get your account back.

I still remember the big charge card mistake where SE just banned people and it was SE mistake and those people could not get their accounts back.. They have the worst customer service in history.



Edited, Oct 1st 2013 4:06pm by Nashred

While I don't disagree that SE has the worst customer service in video game history, I have to concur that anyone I know who was banned had something that triggered suspicion. Even though they claimed no wrong doing. SE banned only when they had evidence. (Someone else's mule transferring ten million gil to you IS evidence. Yeah, yeah, your friend quit the game and gave you all his stuff. So why did he only give you gil and not his Kirin's Osode or collection of HQ staves? And why is that mule now mysteriously deleted and the account it came from banned for gillselling ads? )

Edited, Oct 1st 2013 4:47pm by Catwho

Just curious how you tripped those flags? Were you selling very expensive items on the market boards?

The most egregious violators will be terminated, it says. Then it mentions that temporarily suspended characters will have gil removed. Given the context I think the format suggests that they are clarifying that non-egregious violatiors will have gil subtracted - i.e. folks who bought a million gil once, as opposed to somebody who was serving as an RMT distributor or buying tens of millions which would probably merit a termination.

I can't imagine they will be punishing innocent players. By that logic if even one person was thrown into the mix who only had maybe 100k on hand but had sold 1 philosophy item to a person who bought gil, they'd have their 100k subtracted too. I can't believe that's what's going to happen, it makes no sense.

I was - server first items, things like that. With no history to go buy, I threw them up for about 250% profit margins to see if they'd sell. They did. However, I think what tripped the flags were a few HQ 2-star sales I made to other players directly who contacted me for commissions. The items cost about 760k to make each, so you can imagine my asking price as the only character actively capable of making them to the best of my knowledge. I suspect those huge character-to-character trades of gil are what threw warning bells up on my account, and I completely understand why.

This isn't directed at you, but this can easily lead into a debate about whether I deserve to keep the gil if it came from RMT. Of course I do. I sold at or around market value, and when there wasn't a market value I think I get the privilege of setting my own prices - especially if folks will buy. I'm sure SE would agree that top crafters operating within the letter and spirit of the rules should not have to artificially deflate their own prices or choose to not sell items at all for fear of receiving tainted gil. I say ban the players who bought gil along with the items they bought. I don't think they have time to be going around and researching each item I sold and deducting the gil for that item from my account while giving me the item back.

So, I'm fine if folks disagree but I'm not concerned about the outcome. I'm concerned about how long this is taking, especially when I'm still being billed.

Naive, and you don't understand how corporations work. k got it

I'd say so long as the logs show you had "first sale" items with no previous record of value or commissions in which actual hard goods were exchanged, you should be okay then.

Thank you for explaining. And I think that also explains why you have the suspension extension, since you're not an obvious buyer from a single source nor an obvious botter/duper. Some poor schlub intern at SE is currently going through the transaction logs line by line for your character.

Edited, Oct 2nd 2013 12:44pm by Catwho

At this point though, their message discipline seems to suggest that each and every person who was suspended is guilty.

From Reinhart:



This was in response to the question from a JP player regarding their fears of collecting too much gil and getting suspended. It may not be internal policy, but since I was normally playing and collecting money, I'm certainly having a problem. My biggest fear that has started to bubble up since this morning when I learned of these statements is that they will simply keep us suspended and then punish us anyway so that they have deniability - folks showing up on the forums with tales of getting their account back with gil intact would make them look pretty bad for suspending legit players.

I recognize that that scenario would just lead to further claims that the people cheated and just feel bad now - but I wonder if all of those banned and suspended accounts are entirely, 100% all guilty people. I'm not, and the folks in my LS who were banned likely aren't. As I've said many times before in various venues, why would we ever buy gil if we always were ahead of the game since before gil was available for sale? We never *needed* to put our accounts at risk because we always had enough to pay for the next tier of crafting. Hell, I had to level mining to 50 - server first - because there wasn't even an option to buy the materials. Nobody else had them. Being rich at the end of the first week sort of kills the need to risk it all just to buy gil.

I fervently hope SE does not take the cowardly approach of punishing the innocents cuaght up in this just for the sake of PR. Punishing passionate players who were mixed in with the (I would guess) bad majority of RMT/buyers just to save PR face is evil.