Just did my first dungeon :: Final Fantasy XIV (FFXIV, FF14)

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#27 Sep 17 2013 at 10:56 AM Rating: Good

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We actually died on the first boss 5+ times

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yeah thats because thats how many times it took to figure out "go touch thoe water panels to stop the extra enemies" from coming. once that happened it was easy and we won. in CoP you could do the mammet fight knowing you need yellow liquid, knowing what to use it for and that you have to kite two of them if youre not using 3nin 3whm setup and knowing all that you can still lose. even 3nin x3whm setup isnt a 100% guaranteed victory . knowing exactly what to do in the Sashasta fight on the other hand is a 100% guaranteed victory thus "not really hard"

hard fights can still kick your *** even fi you are prepared for them and know full well what to do

I think the reason he's confused is because you're describing the final boss. The first boss is the coeurl that just does coeurl stuff.

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#29 Sep 17 2013 at 12:26 PM Rating: Good

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it sounds like maybe your CNJ was overhealing.

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#30 Sep 17 2013 at 11:14 PM Rating: Excellent

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If this story was told by anyone but you, I would have found it a really interesting and unique tale of a first-time player and probably given some positive advice for you. But seriously Duo? All you've done over the past several months here is whine about stuff that you hadn't even tried yet, and complained about how the game was going to be "too easy" and how "ffxi was so much better" and how you were such an awesome player in XI that was able to tackle every challenge when it first came out (I distinctly recall you claiming to have beat CoP before the nerfs because that was the REAL challenge)... and yet you continually wipe to Sastasha? The first dungeon? The tutorial dungeon where the toughest mechanic is clicking on a grate when bubbles form on it? Wow. You seriously need to reevaluate your MMO abilities if you had a tough time with that, regardless if half your party was JP players. Sorry for the negativity in your thread, you've just been doing it on this forum for so long that I felt it was only fair to give some back. I'll gladly take a sub-default for this post.

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#31 Sep 17 2013 at 11:19 PM Rating: Good

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If this story was told by anyone but you, I would have found it a really interesting and unique tale of a first-time player and probably given some positive advice for you. But seriously Duo? All you've done over the past several months here is whine about stuff that you hadn't even tried yet, and complained about how the game was going to be "too easy" and how "ffxi was so much better" and how you were such an awesome player in XI that was able to tackle every challenge when it first came out (I distinctly recall you claiming to have beat CoP before the nerfs because that was the REAL challenge)... and yet you continually wipe to Sastasha? The first dungeon? The tutorial dungeon where the toughest mechanic is clicking on a grate when bubbles form on it? Wow. You seriously need to reevaluate your MMO abilities if you had a tough time with that, regardless if half your party was JP players. Sorry for the negativity in your thread, you've just been doing it on this forum for so long that I felt it was only fair to give some back. I'll gladly take a sub-default for this post.

Agreed, OP should be as 1337 pro as us. No scope 420, blaze it.

Otherwise, he's not allowed to have an opinion.

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#32 Sep 17 2013 at 11:22 PM Rating: Default

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BartelX wrote:

If this story was told by anyone but you, I would have found it a really interesting and unique tale of a first-time player and probably given some positive advice for you. But seriously Duo? All you've done over the past several months here is whine about stuff that you hadn't even tried yet, and complained about how the game was going to be "too easy" and how "ffxi was so much better" and how you were such an awesome player in XI that was able to tackle every challenge when it first came out (I distinctly recall you claiming to have beat CoP before the nerfs because that was the REAL challenge)... and yet you continually wipe to Sastasha? The first dungeon? The tutorial dungeon where the toughest mechanic is clicking on a grate when bubbles form on it? Wow. You seriously need to reevaluate your MMO abilities if you had a tough time with that, regardless if half your party was JP players. Sorry for the negativity in your thread, you've just been doing it on this forum for so long that I felt it was only fair to give some back. I'll gladly take a sub-default for this post.

well first off FFXIV and FFXI have completely different aggro/linking/gameplay mechanics so that took some getting used too. secondly i also wiped on every CoP fight multiple times before winning but we still did it pre nerf so I fail to see your point? Now had i said "we beat every CoP fight pre nerf on our first try" and THEN came here saying i wiped on Sashasta THEN i would agree that my abilities need to be reevaluated.

Glad to see you actually pay attention though. I was under the impression that no one actually reads my posts and just automatically hit a red arrow anything they see anything with my name in it

edit: but anyway about to do my first Tam tarra ( or w/e) run n ow. Now that Im got the party ,echanics down. I can assure you thi sis gonna bgo 100000 times better than that last dunegon

I mean use SOME degree of common sense. Lets say Im the best FFXI player that ever was.. does that mean I could jump on WoW right now for the first time and kick *** like Ive been playing the game for 20 years? No because theyre two different games. Thats usually not how that works. When doing something new you have to start from the bottom and build up to "uber" all over again. The worlds best Street Fighter players isnt gonna automatically be the worlds best Tekken player too.

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#33 Sep 18 2013 at 1:47 AM Rating: Decent

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Here am I floating Round my tin can, Far above the Moon
Planet Earth is blue And there's nothing I can do.

I havent had much time to play lately but doing Sastasha is next on my list. I actually tried to que up for the first time yesterday but I didnt have any luck. I tried as ranger so maybe next time ill try as gladiator. I was a little suprised I couldnt find a party for it after 30 minutes or so, im guessing its because it was around 4am est and alot of people are past that content now. Still, you would think with the duty finder applying to all worlds there would still be people looking to do Sastasha? Or is it possible too many damage dealers were looking for party? They did just announce digital sales will begin again so hopefully that will speed up low level dungeon ques.

I think it would be fun to just run the dungeons and figure things out but at the same time, especially if im going to be tanking, I feel inclined to do some research online before I join up.

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#34 Sep 18 2013 at 2:07 AM Rating: Default

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Tam Tera is going worse.. we have a crappy healer (how does a level 16-19 healer only heal for 16-19hp per heal?) eventually the DD (THM( left because of the crappy healer... we got a second DD who also left for the same reason... crappy healer finally leaves... new DDs enter the duty but no Healers show up again after a 20 min wait so yeah were kinda done... sad part is.. we didnt even destroy the second orb... lol gawd I cant wait to get on an NA server at least then ill be able to shout for a party to do dungeons with with ppl i can (hopefully) communicate with lol

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#35 Sep 18 2013 at 2:51 AM Rating: Decent

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Provoke is lvl 22 for GLD, and it works just as well as it did in FFXI.

Wrong.

Provoke here is nothing like how it was in FFXI (and it was a fairly terrible ability there once CE/VE were understood).

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it sounds like maybe your CNJ was overhealing.

Yeah, sadly, it doesn't matter how great of a tank you are right now; currently, if a healer wants to pull hate off of you there isn't a damned thing you can do about it because overhealing still generates threat and their equivalent threat/heal ratio is so much higher than your ability to put out a combo-ed Rage/Butcher's.

It isn't even funny once a healer is geared. Outside of initial burst on combat it's never damage classes you need to worry about but healers simply due to moronic overhealing generating hate.

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Tam Tera is going worse.. we have a crappy healer (how does a level 16-19 healer only heal for 16-19hp per heal?)

Stop. Making. ****. Up.

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#36 Sep 18 2013 at 9:22 AM Rating: Decent

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Tam Tera is going worse.. we have a crappy healer (how does a level 16-19 healer only heal for 16-19hp per heal?) eventually the DD (THM( left because of the crappy healer... we got a second DD who also left for the same reason... crappy healer finally leaves... new DDs enter the duty but no Healers show up again after a 20 min wait so yeah were kinda done... sad part is.. we didnt even destroy the second orb... lol gawd I cant wait to get on an NA server at least then ill be able to shout for a party to do dungeons with with ppl i can (hopefully) communicate with lol

Being on a JP server doesn't matter. I'm on one and run into English players all the time. And EVEN still if I get a group will all Japanese players its not a problem because these dungeons are EASY. They DO NOT get harder until level 30. As far as your wow comment. I was able to get on and do find. MMOS are basically the same with different skins. Oh and when you do the math, if every party you get in is crappy as you say, guess WHO the common denominator is.

I'm done.

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#37 Sep 18 2013 at 9:25 AM Rating: Good

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DuoMaxwellxx wrote:

Tam Tera is going worse.. we have a crappy healer (how does a level 16-19 healer only heal for 16-19hp per heal?) eventually the DD (THM( left because of the crappy healer... we got a second DD who also left for the same reason... crappy healer finally leaves... new DDs enter the duty but no Healers show up again after a 20 min wait so yeah were kinda done... sad part is.. we didnt even destroy the second orb... lol gawd I cant wait to get on an NA server at least then ill be able to shout for a party to do dungeons with with ppl i can (hopefully) communicate with lol

Your conjurer had Cleric Stance on.

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#38 Sep 18 2013 at 9:35 AM Rating: Good

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Your conjurer had Cleric Stance on.

I'm not even sure that would explain such a low number. The only thing I can come up with that's close is the natural hp regen that everybody gets. Which would have to mean his conjurer was doing nothing.

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Your conjurer had Cleric Stance on.

I'm not even sure that would explain such a low number. The only thing I can come up with that's close is the natural hp regen that everybody gets. Which would have to mean his conjurer was doing nothing.

Or maybe an under exaggeration of numbers. Cure/physik does more at level 4 then what he states here.

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#40 Sep 18 2013 at 11:36 AM Rating: Default

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Your conjurer had Cleric Stance on.

I'm not even sure that would explain such a low number. The only thing I can come up with that's close is the natural hp regen that everybody gets. Which would have to mean his conjurer was doing nothing.

Or maybe an under exaggeration of numbers. Cure/physik does more at level 4 then what he states here.

Im going by what the DD in the party was saying to the CNJ. So if ANYONE was making sh*t up it was the OTHER DD not me. I myself wasnt paying attention to the numbers. even the GLD said (to whom which i was on the hone with during the entire run a si know him IRL) said teh highest he got from the CNJ was a 26-27hp heal and we could heal HIMSELF for 46 using his cross class cure ability he got from cnj)

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#41 Sep 18 2013 at 12:07 PM Rating: Excellent

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Im going by what the DD in the party was saying to the CNJ. So if ANYONE was making sh*t up it was the OTHER DD not me.

Then maybe you should have said that when you mentioned the 16-19 HP cure. You sound like one of those people who shares stuff on FB without checking to make sure the story is true. Just because you aren't the source of the misinformation doesn't mean that you're not a part of the problem by perpetuating the misleading information.

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#42 Sep 18 2013 at 12:42 PM Rating: Default

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well one thing i did/can confirm is that the GLD with cross class cure WAS during for double the amount the CNJ was cuing for. correct me if im wrong but shouldnt that be impossible;e? so even if the CNJ wsnt really curing for 16-19 curing for less than what a GLD was doing with cross class cure is still bad is it not?

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#43 Sep 18 2013 at 1:35 PM Rating: Excellent

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DuoMaxwellxx wrote:

well one thing i did/can confirm is that the GLD with cross class cure WAS during for double the amount the CNJ was cuing for. correct me if im wrong but shouldnt that be impossible;e? so even if the CNJ wsnt really curing for 16-19 curing for less than what a GLD was doing with cross class cure is still bad is it not?

Don't know how much MND a level 15 GLD has versus a level 15 CNJ. It's probably pretty close though at that level.

Also you don't know that for a fact because you don't really know how much the CNJ was doing in the first place. You just said that.

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#44 Sep 18 2013 at 3:54 PM Rating: Excellent

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Could a busted weapon in need of repairs ***** with the healing output?

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Archmage Callinon wrote:

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well one thing i did/can confirm is that the GLD with cross class cure WAS during for double the amount the CNJ was cuing for. correct me if im wrong but shouldnt that be impossible;e? so even if the CNJ wsnt really curing for 16-19 curing for less than what a GLD was doing with cross class cure is still bad is it not?

Don't know how much MND a level 15 GLD has versus a level 15 CNJ. It's probably pretty close though at that level.

Also you don't know that for a fact because you don't really know how much the CNJ was doing in the first place. You just said that.

It isn't even close: CNJ is nearly triple at that level. He's purely making it up atm.

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#46 Sep 18 2013 at 4:55 PM Rating: Decent

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Archmage Callinon wrote:

DuoMaxwellxx wrote:

well one thing i did/can confirm is that the GLD with cross class cure WAS during for double the amount the CNJ was cuing for. correct me if im wrong but shouldnt that be impossible;e? so even if the CNJ wsnt really curing for 16-19 curing for less than what a GLD was doing with cross class cure is still bad is it not?

Don't know how much MND a level 15 GLD has versus a level 15 CNJ. It's probably pretty close though at that level.

Also you don't know that for a fact because you don't really know how much the CNJ was doing in the first place. You just said that.

It isn't even close: CNJ is nearly triple at that level. He's purely making it up atm.

What if we only go by base MND stats or a CNJ and GLD at 18? with no attribute points put in MND? also the fact that maybe damaged gear can effects a CNJs healing? (like one guy mentioned in a previous post)? After all I can confirm that that GLD wasnt lying about his heal numbers in comparison to the CNJs. now the 19-19hp per heal may or may not have been a lie/exaggeration but the 26-27hp heal from the CNJ and 46-47 from the GLD is indeed fact

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#47 Sep 19 2013 at 11:05 AM Rating: Good

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Did tamtara again last night when flawlessly, no deaths and we had a CNJ who did nothing but cure (and protect) no more casting aero/stone like that last CNJ. Right after that I queue up for the next dungeon which was Copperbell and somehow got the exact SAME ppl from the last dungeon I did (tam tara) (so much for "when you use duty finder youll most likely never see those ppl again). Copperbell was a joke as well with us in it (accept that time me and the tank both got pwned by self destruct which was kinda funny lol). But ppl that complain about "idiots" in copperbell who dont listen during the slime fight and fight the bombs/dont let them blow up the slimes/save them from the spprigans" We didnt have that issue at all, everyone handled that like they knew what they were doing (despit eteh fact that at least two of us we're new) and no one explained it before hand.,

So yeah Shasashta and the first tam terra run were clearly the result of ****itty players" and seeing as how the second tam tarra and copperbell went I clearly wasnt the "lowest common denominator" as a certain person pointed out. Dungeons are wonderful with ppl who dont suck. I wish that CNJ and other DD was on the same server as I (another flaw about duty finder.... it kinda hurts teh social aspect as its kinda hard to build your friends "list" with ppl on different servers). Almost saddens me to know theres only 5 more story dungeons left.. I could do those forever (with teh right ppl)

random note: Was that old FF battle music I heard during that fight against those scammers/bandit when rescuing that woman they accused of stealing?

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#48 Sep 19 2013 at 11:13 AM Rating: Good

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You can repeat those dungeons for exp and loot, so don't despair! You CAN do them forever!

And yes, you're right, that was a remix of battle music from either FF5 or FF6 I think.

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#49 Sep 19 2013 at 11:21 AM Rating: Default

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nah redoing content Ive done before over and over again would bore me.. I meant do new/different dungeons forever lol

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