Discussion: Does DRG need a buff?Follow

And? Because rotation isn't something strictly followed, it all depends on situation especially melee. There are many many times as Melee you don't get to do your next combo in the rotation because you need to move out of AoE and it ruins your positioning. Easy for you to say since you play BLM, you don't require positioning, another great advantage for ranged jobs. It also doesn't help that every build has different Skill Speed and that SS affects both GCD and other CD changing the rotation. For e.g some DRG like to weave in Jump into their DPS, but at the current state with my SS Jump animation is too long to weave inbetween GCD like Leg Sweep, hence I don't always use it while on GCD. Also FYI my Full Thrust now crit 1,109 dmg.

I out DPS other jobs partly thanks to my gear (only 1 ring and pants are iLvl 70, rest are iLvl 90), partly thanks to what I actually do in battle. I've been called very aggressive melee by people.

Also FYI, i have played all job. I got all jobs with Relic and DL/iLvl 70 crafted. I don't theorise what other job should do without first hand experience. I hate to say this but, try to play a Melee job before tell me what to do. I've done your share of BLM, I know how to utilise current bug to do great DPS, thank you.

That isn't a bug. That's just using Off GCD at the same time as a GCD. You're right, every job uses that, and that will pretty much change everything.

Elusive Jump doesn't reduce enmity, that was 1.0. ARR Elusive Jump removes Heavy/Bind.

Yes it does. Unless I'm bugged and it's magically just dropped my aggro each time I use it.

Also the tooltip must be lying when it says Additional Effect: reduces Emnity :p

Edited, Dec 13th 2013 5:53pm by Quor

Your calculations are hilarious considering it's a 13 minute fight. No ballad was used, foe requiem was used when no targets were out. There are two BRDs..maybe one is doing the singing while the other is doing the DPSing which is why one appears to doing less DPS. No? Guess that thought didn't cross your mind. Both Logrep and App have options to disable LB damage. It also seems you completely ignored the total damage done. And, to top it off, you seem to think disembowelment is required on T5 yet say melee DPS are not desirable at all in coil. Why don't you make up your mind?

I guess the foe requiem helped out the monk a lot.

See this is what's great...you cannot assess the DPS in that group accurately because you can't really speak about T5 strategy which illustrates my point: you have no idea what you're talking about. Those 9 relics really aren't helping you too much considering it seems you only use one of them. :3

You've provided no evidence to support your claim(s), have no experience to speak from, and ignore evidence the other side has presented you. It honestly just sounds like an issue with you rather than melee.

Edit: BTW, next Monday I'll send you a message with the T4 parse. Usually I delete them because T4 is a horrible place to assess DPS unless you ignore the BLM's damage entirely and look at the other 3 DPS. Should make for a good laugh on my part, though.

Edited, Dec 14th 2013 5:44am by HitomeOfBismarck

I'll just leave you with this. Attempting to have a dialogue is pointless when there is so much inconsistency/misinformation.

Your original statement



My statement



Contradictory/erroneous comments in your posts



Which conflicts with your previous post regarding melee receiving a flat 10% damage increase.



Which should actually read: melee LB1-3. BRD also cannot stun like MNK and DRG can.



Which has no place in this conversation given it is about coil. You have only raided with one of those jobs. This discussion pertains to raid-based content making this comment irrelevant. Not to mention the fact that having a relic does not make you an expert at the job.


Misinformed opinions in your post



Correction: stunning dreadknights in the highest turn is actually a big concern.



Correction: BRD DPS is actually right beside MNK and BLM.



Correction: There is no other job that can push higher AoE DPS than BLM at this given time, making turn 4 a trivial case for comparing DPS considering BLM DPS is quite inflated due to the AoE nature of turn 4.

Khornette in regards to turn 4:


Again, turn 4 is not single-target intensive but AoE intensive. Citing skills like barrage from a BRD that focus on single target in an AoE-based turn is nonsense.



Correction: BLM DPS is just as dependent on luck with thundercloud and firestarter. More so than BRD, actually, because we don't crit as often and cannot rely on our crit to carry our damage should RNG decide to give 0 TC procs throughout an entire fight.



Correction: every class in this game has a set rotation: strictly followed or not. What you just described was a situation where you could not finish your rotation. What would happen after you missed the opportunity to finish your rotation would be to restart your rotation...implying that rotation is something you strictly follow.



Correction: Any time there is AoE involved, single-targeted attacks, or movement of any kind, BLM is subjected to the same treatment as melee with only thunder DoT ticking on the boss and possible firestarter or thundercloud procs that had not been used up prior to movement. Astral fire lasts only a set amount of time similar to greased lightning. If it falls off, there will be time taken to ramp damage back up.



Correction: Left path is often decided based on group composition. If you have more physical DPS than magic DPS, left is a wiser choice. If your group has no problem dealing with Allagan rot, left is an easier choice. No accommodation is done for melee as BRDs also use physical DPS.

Quote=Khornette assuming the MNK only get 1 LB3 for his parse (20,000 dmg min for an all Relic+1 party)

Correction and false assumption: LogRep was configured to not include LB damage. FFXIVApp also excludes LB damage.

Quote=Khornette Melees are not desirable in Coil

Postulate: You would expect to see no one playing MNK or DRG and no T5 groups with MNK or DRG.

Actual reality: There are plenty with both classes and they do just fine.

New postulate: You are the problem: not melee DPS.

Quote=Khornette Unlike you, I've played a whole lot different jobs

Correction: I currently have 5 jobs at 50, two of which I raid with (BLM and SCH): all different roles except for SMN and BLM.

Quote=Khornette Just FYI, Crono has 263.7 DPS while singing song

Correction: Crono is not designated to sing any song for turn 5. If he is, it would be foe requiem for the AoE LB2/3 on snake phase where DPS is halted for 3-4 seconds in a 13 minute fight. I thought you had every job at 50 and had a relic for each? Surely the cast time of foe requiem would be known to you. Out of a fight with 780 seconds in it, 4 (max) of those are spent singing = 0.5% of the time.

Edited, Dec 14th 2013 9:23am by HitomeOfBismarck

You can also solo heal turn 1-4...but that's aside the point. LB 1/2/3 in turn 4 is pretty useful for keeping your DPS in check speed wise. Melee DPS is pretty useful in all turns if they're smart and know their job, it's as simple as that.

They're boosting Melee DPS because BLM outparses everyone by huge margins because of their design and infinite MP. Everyone else is tied to TP which is finite because Yoshi felt letting us have our Store TP or other means of TP management would stress the playerbase and got rid of it.

I'm surprised you came back: especially after the patch notes were revealed.

My argument was never that you need something but that your statement was incorrect and your exaggeration of melee's current state is just that: an exaggeration.

You have some pretty poor reading skills. No one said both BRDs did not sing anything. In fact, I told you Crono sung foe requiem for snakes. Me telling you this, however, makes no sense since you have no idea what snakes I'm referring to. If MP ever dips low, Bk would sing ballad. For that particular attempt, it never did. Over the course of 13 minutes, soul voice + foe requiem was used twice: once for AoE LB + snake burn and the second for the last phase. You can easily look all of the DPS that were in that group up and figure out what gear level they're sitting at (unlike you who has yet to post a Lodestone character).



Speaking of poor reading skills, you apparently have trouble reading your own links:

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/1qxgmi/coil_of_bahamut_solo_tank_moogle/


You would think someone who suffers from such harsh rejection from PUG coil groups and also claims he out damages other classes on a frequent basis would have some sort of parsed results to back this up. Let's see some parses where you out damage BLMs but are out DPS'd by BRDs by a large margin. Go on: I'll wait.



Which cross class ability was taken away again...?

You really don't have anything left to stand on. BRD received two nerfs to two cross class abilities, lowering each by 10% while you also received a nerf to one of your cross class abilities in the same manner (just like MNK did with blood for blood). So BRD retains all of its CDs but two of them do slightly less damage while you retain all of yours but one of yours does slightly less damage as well.

To encourage people to not stack jobs, they added a slower LB gauge buildup if two or more of a particular job are present.

So apparently SE agrees that BRD DPS is fine and you were pretty much wrong.

I'm sure you'll continue to whine about how bad melee DPS have it, though. But, while you're busy whining, there will be plenty of melee DPS contributing to coil groups, amused by your stories of inferiority. I know I am at least.

Edit: Make sure to refute post #63 when you get a chance. Quite a few errors that you need to answer for.

Edited, Dec 14th 2013 6:39pm by HitomeOfBismarck

Basic math (and playing BRD at level 50 for longer than 2 minutes) would enable you to understand natural MP regeneration but it seems you cannot do said math and have not really played BRD. My provided data was just an example. Your provided data was...wait: you don't have any provided data.

I'm done discussing this with you. You at least provided the melee in my FC with a few laughs. Grats on SCH, by the way! Do you have a relic for it as well?