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#27 Sep 09 2013 at 9:59 AM Rating: Decent
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The problem isn't your AF, it's that (judging by most people I see in AK), people completely ignore their accessories.

I joined a dungeon yesterday and there was a DRG wearing a level 1 Ul'dan ring and a level 9 CP ring.

Hell if I was going to carry him through the dungeon, so I left, as did the PLD.

The least you can do is spend 5k for a HQ lvl 49 ring on the AH and get appropriate materia melded onto it.

#28 Sep 09 2013 at 10:32 AM Rating: Good
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I think its just that.... people are still doing this for the first time. Everyone is not an MMO hero. The story leads you to AK but it doesn't tell you," hey this is a hard dungeon compared to what you just did!" Not everyone uses a forum. Lord knows I know this first hand as I hear questions on vent/ts3/LS chat/FC chat that have been answered here months ago and at least 4 times a day. DL set isn't a walk in the park. I've been spamming WPt and only have ~800 tombstones due to PUGs not getting up to the first boss. I think some people in DF expect a speed run only to see the tank pulling the adds you can walk past and leaving. The list goes on. Hey I tried to do AK once. I had no idea what to expect and after watching a youtube I still got knocked off and everyone bailed. Yup I didn't learn as much about that fight because of that. And see I have both tanks and healing class at 50 so I could get in instantly but how else am I to learn? Anyroad I have found some lvl 50 friends who have problems getting in and invited them to my FC. Here's hoping the up coming weekend goes better.
#29 Sep 09 2013 at 10:35 AM Rating: Good
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Maybe I'll start a guide or something tonight
#30 Sep 09 2013 at 11:10 AM Rating: Default
A lot of good tips for some newer 50's in here that's for sure.

Unfortunately the only bad part I noticed was someone saying that they drop parties mid-dungeon if the DD don't meet their level of expectations according to a parser. Utterly ridiculous is what that is. If that person is so worried about min/maxing their run, they need to stick to running with their FC and not waste other people's time in a PUG by being a jerk. Talk about bad netiquette right there.
#31 Sep 09 2013 at 11:13 AM Rating: Good
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If you work at your main job and spend the time to keep everything as up to date as possible you should be fine, as already stated the weapon especially for a DPS is a real gear check and running with auction house stuff might not cut the mustard. I'd spam ifrit for the weapon first.

Also running full AF is not enough for pickup groups in here, you can do much better for minimal gil and a few melds per slot. The NQ gryphonskin/darksteel/vanya etc are still much better than AF, thats another spot to push up your gear check.

Edited, Sep 9th 2013 1:15pm by aj7418
#32 Sep 09 2013 at 11:30 AM Rating: Decent
Valkayree wrote:
shykin wrote:
Valkayree wrote:
shykin wrote:
nonameoflevi wrote:
shykin wrote:
Yeah I know, I'm not sure how thats relevant though. It's not like he couldn't have done it without me and beat the primals without me.


It just seemed that you think that him having the relic is the reason you and he can beat it. But he had to have beat it before without his relic.


Nah, before the relic I had to tank the adds for a little while but the LB finished it off before long. The relic was just an explanation for why we can typically kill it before the adds spawn in case someone didn't believe it.


So the first DD was a summoner, who was the 2nd?


Usually someone from the ls but sometimes a random. I've had a BRD, MNK and DRG be our other dps. On rare occasions another SMN but strangely enough almost never a BLM. BRD was the fastest because of the lack of a positional requirement and foe requiem. The MNK was just behind but he got faster from relic so I'm not sure now. DRG was so-so but I think thats just due to rotation issues on our DRGs.

Oh and not to belittle the SMN and MNK by saying their DPS is only because of relic. They were great dps even before the relic. I add in my DPS by using Sword Oath until the adds spawn so that helps too.


I'm sure they were good players, I was just interested to see if other blm were having the same problems casting on that boss. It really feels like I could zerg the boss and skip the adds though, it seems like the adds are there to waste my time while that floor closes in. I dont know who the wiseguy in development was that decided the battle was too easy and in turn made a motion to cover the back half of the area with purple goo.

Edited, Sep 9th 2013 10:04am by Valkayree



I used to really suck at the demon wall fight until I had enough practice. After figuring out the pattern it is a fairly predictable fight. The painful part may be getting with a group that will stick around for multiple attempts based on what I hear.

As a BLM I always start on the outer edge on the left. I swiftcast my Thunder 3 and then start throwing out fire spells. After I see the middle light up I know I can get in one more spell before I have to switch to the middle. After the outsides light up and subside I go back to the outer edge until the middle lights up again. There are always two rotations of Middle -> Outside and then a repel so after I move to the middle the 2nd time I stay there until after the repel. Then I move to the outer edge and just repeat the process all over again.

As far as using LB it depends on what your groups wants to do. You can have a DD use it to burn down one of the bees. If you are a BLM or a SMN wait till the first floor transition and use your LB while standing at the outer edge. This should give you enough time to get off the LB and then move. Lastly if you have a decently geared tank he can just hold the bees to one side and have your melee blow their LB on the boss to end it quicker.

I hope this helps.
#33 Sep 09 2013 at 11:53 AM Rating: Good
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Dude doesn't the WHM have a knockback move? Can you knock one off? Haha
#34 Sep 09 2013 at 11:57 AM Rating: Good
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Zosimo wrote:
A lot of good tips for some newer 50's in here that's for sure.

Unfortunately the only bad part I noticed was someone saying that they drop parties mid-dungeon if the DD don't meet their level of expectations according to a parser. Utterly ridiculous is what that is. If that person is so worried about min/maxing their run, they need to stick to running with their FC and not waste other people's time in a PUG by being a jerk. Talk about bad netiquette right there.


It's always easier to just kick a player or bail than bother to teach someone or explain, so thats what people do. It's not like they're required to care, if its duty finder you will probably never see them again anyway. That's just how it goes. Some people may go a large portion of their time in-game never knowing why they keep getting booted or why no one wants to group with them.
#35 Sep 09 2013 at 12:22 PM Rating: Good
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reptiletim wrote:
Zosimo wrote:
A lot of good tips for some newer 50's in here that's for sure.

Unfortunately the only bad part I noticed was someone saying that they drop parties mid-dungeon if the DD don't meet their level of expectations according to a parser. Utterly ridiculous is what that is. If that person is so worried about min/maxing their run, they need to stick to running with their FC and not waste other people's time in a PUG by being a jerk. Talk about bad netiquette right there.


It's always easier to just kick a player or bail than bother to teach someone or explain, so thats what people do. It's not like they're required to care, if its duty finder you will probably never see them again anyway. That's just how it goes. Some people may go a large portion of their time in-game never knowing why they keep getting booted or why no one wants to group with them.


The reason some people do this isnt because they are min/maxing. Its because the next two bosses you will fail if you do not kill them within a certain time. If you have trouble killing the 1st boss then you have no chance getting the next two down. Its not about being eliteist or even a jerk, it just plain wont work.

The biggest waste of time would be to carry on and wipe over and over again.

Edited, Sep 9th 2013 2:25pm by Warby
#36 Sep 09 2013 at 12:29 PM Rating: Default
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Warby wrote:
reptiletim wrote:
Zosimo wrote:
A lot of good tips for some newer 50's in here that's for sure.

Unfortunately the only bad part I noticed was someone saying that they drop parties mid-dungeon if the DD don't meet their level of expectations according to a parser. Utterly ridiculous is what that is. If that person is so worried about min/maxing their run, they need to stick to running with their FC and not waste other people's time in a PUG by being a jerk. Talk about bad netiquette right there.


It's always easier to just kick a player or bail than bother to teach someone or explain, so thats what people do. It's not like they're required to care, if its duty finder you will probably never see them again anyway. That's just how it goes. Some people may go a large portion of their time in-game never knowing why they keep getting booted or why no one wants to group with them.


The reason some people do this isnt because they are min/maxing. Its because the next two bosses you will fail if you do not kill them within a certain time. If you have trouble killing the 1st boss then you have no chance getting the next two down. Its not about being eliteist or even a jerk, it just plain wont work.

The biggest waste of time would be to carry on and wipe over and over again.

Edited, Sep 9th 2013 2:25pm by Warby


So learning the fights doesn't matter right? Because as long as I'm over geared for the fight I will win it the first time? Each one teach one.
#37 Sep 09 2013 at 12:32 PM Rating: Good
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nonameoflevi wrote:
Warby wrote:
reptiletim wrote:
Zosimo wrote:
A lot of good tips for some newer 50's in here that's for sure.

Unfortunately the only bad part I noticed was someone saying that they drop parties mid-dungeon if the DD don't meet their level of expectations according to a parser. Utterly ridiculous is what that is. If that person is so worried about min/maxing their run, they need to stick to running with their FC and not waste other people's time in a PUG by being a jerk. Talk about bad netiquette right there.


It's always easier to just kick a player or bail than bother to teach someone or explain, so thats what people do. It's not like they're required to care, if its duty finder you will probably never see them again anyway. That's just how it goes. Some people may go a large portion of their time in-game never knowing why they keep getting booted or why no one wants to group with them.


The reason some people do this isnt because they are min/maxing. Its because the next two bosses you will fail if you do not kill them within a certain time. If you have trouble killing the 1st boss then you have no chance getting the next two down. Its not about being eliteist or even a jerk, it just plain wont work.

The biggest waste of time would be to carry on and wipe over and over again.

Edited, Sep 9th 2013 2:25pm by Warby


So learning the fights doesn't matter right? Because as long as I'm over geared for the fight I will win it the first time? Each one teach one.


To be quite honest there is not much to learn, the actual mechanics in this dungeon are a cakewalk. The MAIN thing that matters is the DPS output. 2nd boss for instance just has you moving side to side every several seconds, the hard part of this fight is not the mechanics, but to be able to kill it before it pushes you all the way back.
#38 Sep 09 2013 at 1:01 PM Rating: Good
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Warby wrote:

To be quite honest there is not much to learn, the actual mechanics in this dungeon are a cakewalk. The MAIN thing that matters is the DPS output. 2nd boss for instance just has you moving side to side every several seconds, the hard part of this fight is not the mechanics, but to be able to kill it before it pushes you all the way back.


It doesn't sound very caster friendly. How do healers & DPS casters do their job if they have to keep sliding?
#39 Sep 09 2013 at 1:09 PM Rating: Decent
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rubina wrote:
Warby wrote:

To be quite honest there is not much to learn, the actual mechanics in this dungeon are a cakewalk. The MAIN thing that matters is the DPS output. 2nd boss for instance just has you moving side to side every several seconds, the hard part of this fight is not the mechanics, but to be able to kill it before it pushes you all the way back.


It doesn't sound very caster friendly. How do healers & DPS casters do their job if they have to keep sliding?


I will tell you my first (and only time) as a healer was horrid. I did not know what that stuff was on the floor and when I did move it moved with me. And after I learned the dance, it changed on me. I was standing in the rear doing my heal thing then the goop was on the floor yet again. So I hit sprint and run up out of it only to get knocked back into the goop. Some how I don't think having a relic would help me on this fight. And having only done it once doesn't help either.
#40 Sep 09 2013 at 1:13 PM Rating: Good
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nonameoflevi wrote:
rubina wrote:
Warby wrote:

To be quite honest there is not much to learn, the actual mechanics in this dungeon are a cakewalk. The MAIN thing that matters is the DPS output. 2nd boss for instance just has you moving side to side every several seconds, the hard part of this fight is not the mechanics, but to be able to kill it before it pushes you all the way back.


It doesn't sound very caster friendly. How do healers & DPS casters do their job if they have to keep sliding?


I will tell you my first (and only time) as a healer was horrid. I did not know what that stuff was on the floor and when I did move it moved with me. And after I learned the dance, it changed on me. I was standing in the rear doing my heal thing then the goop was on the floor yet again. So I hit sprint and run up out of it only to get knocked back into the goop. Some how I don't think having a relic would help me on this fight. And having only done it once doesn't help either.


I fully agree, having good gear DOES NOT mean you are a good player and will beat content. However, having bad gear in this particular dungeon DOES mean that you will almost certainly fail. Gear never trumps skill but in this case skill may not take you far enough is all im saying.
#41 Sep 09 2013 at 2:21 PM Rating: Good
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Meh to each their own, ya it's a waste of time but I still take people up to the first boss as a tank and hopefully the 2nd, since the run is fast, people need to practice on the wall.

There's a sense of accomplishment when someone humbly says, cool thanks for the help, I'll go gear up some. This is the kind of community FFXI was founded on and if you can spare the time and the people are nice about it do try to help. Unless they're all grumpy when you politely try to give them tips, in which case ya ***** them.

If you're a DPS then I understand you waited like 30 minutes in queue and don't want to waste your time, as a healer/tank though try to help your fellow mates out!
#42 Sep 09 2013 at 2:31 PM Rating: Decent
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SyniteonReflux wrote:
Meh to each their own, ya it's a waste of time but I still take people up to the first boss as a tank and hopefully the 2nd, since the run is fast, people need to practice on the wall.

There's a sense of accomplishment when someone humbly says, cool thanks for the help, I'll go gear up some. This is the kind of community FFXI was founded on and if you can spare the time and the people are nice about it do try to help. Unless they're all grumpy when you politely try to give them tips, in which case ya ***** them.

If you're a DPS then I understand you waited like 30 minutes in queue and don't want to waste your time, as a healer/tank though try to help your fellow mates out!


First thing I do is ask if anyone is new. And if the answer is yes I start to explain stuff. I unfortunately can't explain anything about AK because the one time I did it was in a Non-English PUG that did a speed run.
#43 Sep 09 2013 at 2:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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Louiscool wrote:
afa03147 wrote:
Guys,

I just got 50 and I have full af so my gear is pretty much decent. However, some people are annoying. After 1st wipe they leave or when they check your gear. I just got 50 how do you want me to have good gear and I cannot even find members to finish the dungeon ? I understand that having good gear is indeed helpful, but its hard for a dps to find a queue because it takes at least 35-60 min. This really gets on my nerves.


Full af is not decent.

No offense, but it's not enough for that dungeon. Do Wanderer's or the last 2 story dungeons until you can buy some darklight and get a Grand Company Weapon.


I agree. Everyone will have AF. It's pretty much baseline gear when you look at it that way. Which is too bad, because I like the look of it. Especially the Dragoon gear. Smiley: nod
#44 Sep 09 2013 at 4:56 PM Rating: Decent
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nonameoflevi wrote:
shykin wrote:
Yeah I know, I'm not sure how thats relevant though. It's not like he couldn't have done it without me and beat the primals without me.


It just seemed that you think that him having the relic is the reason you and he can beat it. But he had to have beat it before without his relic.


Not if you're 1.0. Well SMN wasn't in 1.0 but still...

nonameoflevi wrote:
So learning the fights doesn't matter right? Because as long as I'm over geared for the fight I will win it the first time? Each one teach one.


Assume you earned your over geared, you should not have much problem. It's not that hard to pick up gimmicks in the first run after one or two deaths.
#45 Sep 09 2013 at 7:33 PM Rating: Decent
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SyniteonReflux wrote:
Ok so yes it's possible to kill the wall and ignore the adds, "IF you have enough DPS" - but it's far easier to LB.

I don't know about BLM LB there, the problem I assume is the cast time? Not a DD so I can't help you there, but I usually move early to the right position.
Basically it's left, then as soon as the middle is safe, move middle and then when the left is safe, IMMEDIATELY move left again - right here at this moment you are left and there is an enough delay before the middle poison starts, ends and the left poison to cast a LB.

Edited, Sep 9th 2013 11:19am by SyniteonReflux


Me and my friends speed run that as Pld Brd Blm Whm. Blm LBs the bugs no problem. Best run was about 18 minutes.

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I agree. Everyone will have AF. It's pretty much baseline gear when you look at it that way. Which is too bad, because I like the look of it. Especially the Dragoon gear.


Then you will love the AF 2. It's Blue, not purple, and less feminine. Unless, of course, you are a Bard... Bards get a pink/purple shirt. Thanks se..

Edited, Sep 9th 2013 9:35pm by Louiscool

Edited, Sep 9th 2013 9:35pm by Louiscool
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