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Yoshi Confirms PS Vita for Remote Play Coming!!!Follow

#27 Sep 06 2013 at 12:02 PM Rating: Decent
Gnu wrote:
What I'm describing is a version of Cloud computing, the theory that you can use a keyboard and screen to access your home PC through the internet. You have the input devices, and the processing power is done remotely. As I understand it, some latency issue is holding this technology back.

First company to get this to work wins global domination.


It's a bandwidth issue more than a latency one. Gaikai is one of the companies that have figured out how to best exploit cloud(streaming) gaming already. As someone who works in this industry, the secret of the PS4 is the cloud gaming aspect. Now because the bandwidth demand is too high to essentially do what a true cloud gaming experience would be which I'll list here for reference. Basically your PC/mouse/keyboard/controller is nothing more than an input device and all of the heavy lifting is done by the cloud service. It works similar to how Netflix streams video. Anyone who knows Netflix, you've probably heard they plan to go full HD by the next year or so. I won't bore you with the details, but let's just say they found a way around the bandwidth issue.

Now the PS4 is unique as Sony spent a lot of money on Gaikai for a reason. They know the technology isn't ready yet because not everyone has great internet speed. Frankly anything less than Google Fiber(1GB per sec) is too slow for true cloud gaming. However, here is one of the tricks that isn't known by most people. The graphics and other processes can be handled by the cloud to enhance(work with the existing hardware) to make games better. That means we can no longer just look at the specs and be like.."This sucks, I totally destroy this on my benchmark". Cloud gaming beats everything out there today if you consider the upgrade potential. I also predict Sony and 3rd parties will only test the waters early on. If people need a good enough internet connection to play a game, this could hurt sales. So I suspect Sony will instead use Gaikai to enhance the product for online gaming only...ie.. FFXIV, Call of Duty multiplayer and so forth.

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I forgot to mention there is proof of the cloud being used by Sony already by their notes on the PS4. One example given was how you only had to download 1% of a game/demo(just like a Netflix buffer) an the game would allow you to play while it downloaded the rest. Meanwhile you're playing via the cloud. This proves it's possible to stream game data to the PS4 while you play it. Therefore, it's reasonable to assume that later in the PS4 lifecycle, you'll see more devs using this to compensate for the old tech.

Edited, Sep 6th 2013 2:17pm by ShadowedgeFFXI
#28 Sep 06 2013 at 12:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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Sandinmygum the Stupendous wrote:
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It just saddens me that it takes something in the neighborhood of $400 to make an additional $200 a legitimate purchase, is all. Smiley: frown


Never know, they might do a Ps4/Vita bundle to push this Remote play deal even more.


There were already rumors of a bundle in August for $500. They should have done this for launch, as it would have sold a ton of Vita's. I know I would have immediately reserved one if it came with a Vita for $100 more.
#29 Sep 06 2013 at 12:36 PM Rating: Good
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pesmerrga wrote:
There were already rumors of a bundle in August for $500.
Sony denied the rumor.
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#30 Sep 06 2013 at 12:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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lolgaxe wrote:
pesmerrga wrote:
There were already rumors of a bundle in August for $500.
Sony denied the rumor.


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#31 Sep 06 2013 at 12:39 PM Rating: Decent
lolgaxe wrote:
Sony denied the rumor.


Yeah, they also denied the rumor that because the JP Vita had a price drop, it wouldn't happen in Western markets. Oh right, they happened right after the rumors circulated.
#32 Sep 06 2013 at 12:46 PM Rating: Decent
Wait you have to buy a PS4 in order to have remote play on the Vita? I don't know a PS3 or a Vita. I rather play FFXIV on PC. So are they singling out PC user base with remote play? Thats harsh even for Yoshi-san to suggest. Maybe it will change, I can only hope.
#33 Sep 06 2013 at 1:07 PM Rating: Good
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Anthony11420 wrote:
Wait you have to buy a PS4 in order to have remote play on the Vita? I don't know a PS3 or a Vita. I rather play FFXIV on PC. So are they singling out PC user base with remote play? Thats harsh even for Yoshi-san to suggest. Maybe it will change, I can only hope.


Not sure I completely understand what you are saying, but here's how it works. The game isn't played on the Vita itself. The Vita is just used as the monitor/controller over WiFi connected to the PS4. It's actually available for some PS3 games now I believe. Now I would actually be surprised if Sony didn't somehow integrate this kind of thing into some of it's higher end notebooks and desktops in the future, but it's a Sony-specific technology and they don't want to move gamers away from the PlayStation.
#34 Sep 06 2013 at 1:10 PM Rating: Good
Ah got you, I thought it was a half baked independent on the vita itself, where only certain options were available. Aw well thanks for the enlightenment. I'm here at work and I have my browser window real small. Dont want ppl know I play FFXiV.
#35 Sep 06 2013 at 1:38 PM Rating: Good
What I'd hope is that this would not require the PS4 to have control of the main television it's hooked up to. So for example, I can sit on the couch jamming with my Via as the PS4 hums along running XIV, but my husband can steal the 40" television to watch his stuff on via the PS3 or his laptop at the same time.

You'd think one 40" television would be enough for a house with four adults in it, but just wait until one person is watching Doctor Who on Netflix, while another one wants some old school quality FF6 time via PSN, while a third person finally has some free time to watch High School DXD. Smiley: lol We had to draw straws - losers went back to their computer. Doctor Who and FF6 lost so it was all demons and boobs for the next hour.

Edited, Sep 6th 2013 3:38pm by Catwho
#36 Sep 06 2013 at 6:40 PM Rating: Decent
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Like the WII U ... Which is a awsum system by the way..

Too bad there is nothing for on the go... I do hope they work on that.


I like the idea of using the touch pad as part of the interface.. That should help over the ps3 since it is so clunky,,,

He never asked about a release time...

Thanks for posting this...





Edited, Sep 6th 2013 8:43pm by Nashred
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#37 Sep 06 2013 at 8:42 PM Rating: Decent
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Off topic abit, but has been confirmed that you would have to buy the game again for PS4 if you are already on the PS3?
I've got a friend in LS who's playing on the PS3 and is curious whether he will be able to transfer to the PS4 when the time comes.
#38 Sep 06 2013 at 8:57 PM Rating: Good
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Valkayree wrote:
Kinda wanted that too, fight Cancer on a beach in game while I'm standing on a real beach.


On a real beach, in the sun, getting cancer!

Full circle, man! Smiley: eek
#39 Sep 06 2013 at 10:23 PM Rating: Decent
Suijin wrote:
Off topic abit, but has been confirmed that you would have to buy the game again for PS4 if you are already on the PS3?
I've got a friend in LS who's playing on the PS3 and is curious whether he will be able to transfer to the PS4 when the time comes.


Yoshi said they would offer a discount to PS3 users if they upgrade to the PS4 version. I'm going to assume the PSN store will offer it via a code from SE. It will be easy to change over. All you do is have to download the client after that. All the data is stored on the server.
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