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#77 Sep 03 2013 at 11:31 PM Rating: Excellent
Xoie wrote:
[quote=Sigue]You're more impressed with people that don't exist that people who you think are kind of **************

Oh they exist all right.


My point exactly. Good luck ever convincing me that gear is a necessity. You would be surprised what tenacious skilled players can do.
#78 Sep 04 2013 at 12:00 AM Rating: Decent
Someone's "gearscore" means very little when it comes to how they perform in battle.
Someone could be wearing gear 10 levels below their current level and if they understand the fight or at least have willingness to learn and a good attitude and the awareness to avoid red circles and certain boss attacks, I'll take that person over the 1337-talking jackass who insults everyone in the group and is condescending just because they're wearing a certain piece of equipment. And someone who doesn't understand boss mechanics who got carried by their FC.
Those are the extremes and there's millions of people in between, but in the end it's just a game. There's no winning at FFXIV. There's just fun and enjoying the game with people.
Everyone likes to get better gear and clear content. Absolutely no reason to exclude people unless they're being a douchewad.
Helping people out is nice. I know there's a lack of low level healers. So last night, even though I'm in my 40's, I queue'ed up for Sastasha and some low level guildhests. They popped immediately so clearly groups are waiting for healers. I wish more people would have this approach. Going forward, I hope this way of playing becomes more prevalent when people realize you can't win at this game. Content patches in MMO's are months apart. What's the rush?

Edited, Sep 4th 2013 2:04am by ShonaSeraph
#79 Sep 04 2013 at 1:11 AM Rating: Decent
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Khornette wrote:
You can't craft 2 stars tier recipe without AF clothes (iLvl 55) as bare minimum, how do you deal with that? There's no but, there's no skillz, there's nothing but a solid craftsmanship/control check.


I am wearing level 50 crafting gear with materia and using food and getting the required stats to craft 2 star items. Noted that I have very good jewellery and have filled every materia spot but it can be done.

......does raise the question though why I dont just craft the AF crafting sets - I really must get to that.
#80 Sep 04 2013 at 1:22 AM Rating: Good
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HallieXIV wrote:
Khornette wrote:
You can't craft 2 stars tier recipe without AF clothes (iLvl 55) as bare minimum, how do you deal with that? There's no but, there's no skillz, there's nothing but a solid craftsmanship/control check.


I am wearing level 50 crafting gear with materia and using food and getting the required stats to craft 2 star items. Noted that I have very good jewellery and have filled every materia spot but it can be done.

......does raise the question though why I dont just craft the AF crafting sets - I really must get to that.


Then you would need 2 pairs of crafting gears to do that, one for Craftsmanship one for Control. What I'm saying is you need AF to be able to do both in one set of gears.

There also are no lvl 50 crafting gears not AF/Militia/Relic, all normal gears capped at 49.

Edited, Sep 4th 2013 3:22am by Khornette
#81 Sep 04 2013 at 3:11 AM Rating: Excellent
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I think people are just naturally afraid to be judged harshly. No one wants to be told that they're not good enough. Truth is, though, if your gear isn't very good, and you know it isn't very good, but yet you still expect to go to group events, you're essentially expecting to get carried by everyone else. That, to me, is worse than someone getting turned down because of below-par gear.


It's not really being judged harshly that people are afraid of. It is being unable to play the game at all. You may be good at reaction time and reliability, as well as well mannered, something that became rare in FFXI but you can't prove this unless you play with others. The stopping point is your gear. If it don't match your gameplay/social skills, people will not take you seriously. And I'm not saying everyone is like this - but often the good geared players are the worst players to be around. Ready to give up on you at a moments notice. You can't make mistakes(human factors are void with them), and admitting/taking responsibility for your mistakes(being a man/woman about it) means very little to these players.

Now you're gonna feel pressured to get better, and this is going to weigh heavily on your mind. After awhile it turns to poison. Combined with the fact that your invitation rate is deteriorating. You look at the AH and you think to yourself, what are your options? What can you do to be the best you can be for others, because doing it for yourself will not be based on their expectations. OK time to get the tools you need to farm.. time to see what times farmed items are "camped" so that you can arrive when there is no competition. Oh wait..that's right, the gear people are expecting of you is RARE/EX. And since this requires HELP from said highly geared players, despite DEMANDING you to get "like them" they will not help you become geared like them.

So if you don't have a static(I never had this in all my 9yrs in FFXI) or a GOOD LS with players who do have the morality to help others attain new heights. You are screwed and left with the option to quit.




Edited, Sep 4th 2013 5:13am by Zaleshea
#82 Sep 04 2013 at 3:22 AM Rating: Good
Mopdaddy wrote:
KaneKitty wrote:
Mopdaddy wrote:
Why does this bother you? It has no effect on you yet you complain...


Lots of things may not affect us personally -- such as child slavery in Africa, terrible working conditions in third-world countries, animal cages too small to let the creatures stand, genocide campaigns on the other side of the globe, and so on -- but that doesn't mean someone can't find fault with them. Granted the present issue is a mere trifle compared to such world events, but this is an online forum dedicated to a single video game. Whether someone is affected directly is rather immaterial if the person recognizes a wider or lamentable result.

No sorry but that is horrible. And shame on you for comparing it like that.

Also what is with people rating down posts? It is childish.

Edited, Sep 3rd 2013 4:40pm by Mopdaddy


Your posts get rated down due to the content within. Post something worthwhile someday and it might not get rated down, although at this point, with your reputation, you'll probably get rated down anyway. Of course, considering that you'd have to actually post something worthwhile for us to find this out, we'll likely never know.
#83 Sep 04 2013 at 3:46 AM Rating: Decent
Some one had mentioned the old Icc days yeah but it was near the end of woltk and mind you i quit because I was a end raid guild 4th on my server and I would some times go as a stand in heal with fow who was server first ally side.... we downed naxx in like the first week of Lich king and I was full t7.5 in two weeks after release.. that was a gear score only minor points above 4 k. I come back and ppl tell me I needed 5k or better wtf get out of here I was killing this shiz before they even hit 75..... And my guild downed it our first time in barely any heroic 5man purps we were all like t6 purps and Lvl 80 blues and only 16 Raiders so all my kills are the less is more achieves cause we were specific on if we took extras or not. .... So this is proof skill will always out weigh gear. gearscore is for the badly skilled no matter what game you play. there is nothing wrong with appropriate gear for what your doing. no I would not take a person in all greens to a epic raid but I wouldnt take some one with a hawtie attitude either. I stuff that in its butt by being the raid leader as tank or heals.. That is my best way around it. If it's started here too there should be SE guided gear reqs on the duty finder. I found that nipped it in other games cause it brings an argument to the table that those with ej attitudes can't fight. I'm sorry but the masses can't always be on grinding their lives away to be a slave to the teen with summer vacations or the 35 year old still in mommas basement...
#84 Sep 04 2013 at 9:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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Zaleshea wrote:
Teracide wrote:
I think people are just naturally afraid to be judged harshly. No one wants to be told that they're not good enough. Truth is, though, if your gear isn't very good, and you know it isn't very good, but yet you still expect to go to group events, you're essentially expecting to get carried by everyone else. That, to me, is worse than someone getting turned down because of below-par gear.


It's not really being judged harshly that people are afraid of. It is being unable to play the game at all. You may be good at reaction time and reliability, as well as well mannered, something that became rare in FFXI but you can't prove this unless you play with others. The stopping point is your gear. If it don't match your gameplay/social skills, people will not take you seriously. And I'm not saying everyone is like this - but often the good geared players are the worst players to be around. Ready to give up on you at a moments notice. You can't make mistakes(human factors are void with them), and admitting/taking responsibility for your mistakes(being a man/woman about it) means very little to these players.


There's definitely a balance that has to be struck. Even I've complained about how frustrating it is to heal tanks who wear strength gear to a Duty Finder activity rather than suit up for absorbing damage. But I'd never take the attitude that unless the tank has a certain minimum standard of HQ gear I'm disconnecting and taking the next group. There's plenty of cheap and easy-to-get NQ gear that does the job just fine, and that's where my expectation ends.

But as for how well you play, there's something to be said for winning under less than ideal conditions. You may end up failing more often, but those losses can forge a much better player who has an intimate understanding of the limits of the game. I'd say groups that roll with people who have a complete set of endgame HQ sextuple-meld gear only are in a sense being carried themselves. If the primary concern is "looking good," then you avoid taking risks because you're afraid of looking bad in front of anyone else. And without taking risks, you never improve your game.
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