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#27 Aug 07 2013 at 7:34 PM Rating: Good
When you hit Conjurer level 30 and some secondary job at 15 (in 1.0 I think it was either Gladiator or THM) you unlock the first WHM quest.

When you complete that you will technically have WHM unlocked and you can switch back and forth by equipping the job stone or /job from WHM to and from Conjurer, but you'll only have one WHM ability as opposed to a wide array of cross class abilities on your Conjurer. So it'll be a bad time to switch to WHM until you get high enough where the abilities you've unlocked outweigh the cross class abilities you have from Conjurer.

Edit: What the others say. It will pretty much be Conjurer/White Mage level x. Not Conjurer level x, White Mage level y.

Edited, Aug 7th 2013 6:36pm by UltKnightGrover
#28 Aug 07 2013 at 8:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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That is so very different than what I was expecting it to be. Glad I (or someone else) asked.
#29 Aug 07 2013 at 8:03 PM Rating: Good
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is there a list of what classes unlock which jobs?
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#30 Aug 07 2013 at 8:09 PM Rating: Good
We don't know yet - but if you dig up the Patch 1.21 notes from google, you can see what the 1.0 requirements were. They'll probably be similar with a tweak here and there.
#31 Aug 07 2013 at 9:36 PM Rating: Excellent
Is this what you are talking about?

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#32 Aug 07 2013 at 11:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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Just to break that chart down a bit further. The "Name" is the Job title. "Abbreviation" is the game-designated term for the job. "Base Class" is the "origin" class, the one that levels concurrently with the job e.g. Wearing a Bard job stone will make you a Bard, but level Archer at the same time. "Subclasses" are a little trickier.

At 50, a classgets 10 cross-class abilities, from any equippable versions. A job, however, gets 5 job-specific abilities (from the job quests), and 5 cross-class abilities from the 2 listed subclasses ONLY. To unlock the job in the first place (to pick up the quest that gives the job stone), one of these subclasses must also be level 15, in addition to the base class being 30. I can't recall which one it is now in 2.0 (since those leaks were nerfed by SE), but it isn't random, or a choice - the quest will always have the same requirements.

For a concrete example, let's say you have a 30 GLA. You can have up to 6 cross-class skills, maybe you have a mix of LNC, PGL & MRD stuff for damage + survivability. BUT you want to become a PLD. The quest tells you that you have to have a 15 CNJ as well. You run off to Gridinia, and level CNJ to 15, then return to the quest, picking it up. You bust some heads, hand the quest in, and get a shiny new job stone. You slap it on, you're now a 30 PLD - grats! You now also have a shiny new job ability for PLD. BUT, you only have 3 cross-class ability slots to add to it, AND they can only be CNJ or MRD abilities, as they are your subclasses. You run around for a little while, and ding to 32. You take your job stone off. You're now a 32 GLA, and all those restrictions to cross-class abilities have lifted.

Hopefully this makes the process a little clearer.
#33 Aug 08 2013 at 2:21 AM Rating: Decent
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http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com/pl/guide/armoury01.html

Is this guide out of date?
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#34 Aug 08 2013 at 6:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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Well, it's 1.0 stuff, that's for sure. Most is still relevant, but not all. For example, you can see that there are no SCH or SMN jobs, as they weren't in 1.0. That version of the lodestone is the 1.0 one, the 2.0 one was in beta along with the game while P3 was running. It should relaunch with P4 next week I would guess.
#35 Aug 08 2013 at 6:26 PM Rating: Default
That wasn't really a stupid question.

They purposely decided to name WoW specs as "jobs" for nostalgia and it's confusing a lot of people.

As a Dragoon 50, you're still a Lancer 50. Dragoon is your spec.

Unless they change it, Arcanist will be 50 and you'll have Summoner and Scholar specs at 50.
#36 Aug 08 2013 at 7:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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Killua125 wrote:
They purposely decided to name WoW specs as "jobs" for nostalgia and it's confusing a lot of people.

I find the term "jobs" to be less confusing than the term "specs".

Just sayin'.
#37 Aug 09 2013 at 12:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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I must be of higher inteligence since it isnt confusing for me.......NOT!!!! :P
#38 Aug 09 2013 at 11:07 AM Rating: Excellent
carmelita wrote:
Just to break that chart down a bit further. The "Name" is the Job title. "Abbreviation" is the game-designated term for the job. "Base Class" is the "origin" class, the one that levels concurrently with the job e.g. Wearing a Bard job stone will make you a Bard, but level Archer at the same time. "Subclasses" are a little trickier.

At 50, a classgets 10 cross-class abilities, from any equippable versions. A job, however, gets 5 job-specific abilities (from the job quests), and 5 cross-class abilities from the 2 listed subclasses ONLY. To unlock the job in the first place (to pick up the quest that gives the job stone), one of these subclasses must also be level 15, in addition to the base class being 30. I can't recall which one it is now in 2.0 (since those leaks were nerfed by SE), but it isn't random, or a choice - the quest will always have the same requirements.

For a concrete example, let's say you have a 30 GLA. You can have up to 6 cross-class skills, maybe you have a mix of LNC, PGL & MRD stuff for damage + survivability. BUT you want to become a PLD. The quest tells you that you have to have a 15 CNJ as well. You run off to Gridinia, and level CNJ to 15, then return to the quest, picking it up. You bust some heads, hand the quest in, and get a shiny new job stone. You slap it on, you're now a 30 PLD - grats! You now also have a shiny new job ability for PLD. BUT, you only have 3 cross-class ability slots to add to it, AND they can only be CNJ or MRD abilities, as they are your subclasses. You run around for a little while, and ding to 32. You take your job stone off. You're now a 32 GLA, and all those restrictions to cross-class abilities have lifted.

Hopefully this makes the process a little clearer.


This is the best explanation of Sub-classes that I've ever seen. Well done. I hope you don't mind if I copy this to other places (with credit of course!).

Too bad I can only rate you up once.
#39 Aug 09 2013 at 11:20 AM Rating: Good
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The slippery slope is when you are in Legacy and are a level 50 BLM. Will it turn you into Level 50 THM and then you'll have to level the subclass before you become blm?

That and many more mysteries to be solved shortly.


It's not a mystery, you're still a BLM. If you're legacy, you keep what you have, but some quested abilities must be re-obtained.
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#40 Aug 09 2013 at 11:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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It is so wierd that they don't have thief. Even FF1 had Thief standard.
#41 Aug 09 2013 at 11:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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Valkayree wrote:
It is so wierd that they don't have thief. Even FF1 had Thief standard.


Yeah I'm waiting for THF, NIN and SAM to come in to FFXIV too... I'm going straight Melee DD this time, so I hope I can get all of those unlocked!
#42 Aug 09 2013 at 11:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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Killua125 wrote:
They purposely decided to name WoW specs as "jobs" for nostalgia and it's confusing a lot of people.


Last time I checked, Final Fantasy I (the RPG)- 1980's, Warcraft I (the RTS)- 1990's. Please stop insinuating that anything regarding Final Fantasy Jobs was derived from WoW. Please.

Edited, Aug 9th 2013 12:38pm by Valkayree
#43 Aug 09 2013 at 11:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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Hairspray wrote:
Valkayree wrote:
It is so wierd that they don't have thief. Even FF1 had Thief standard.


Yeah I'm waiting for THF, NIN and SAM to come in to FFXIV too... I'm going straight Melee DD this time, so I hope I can get all of those unlocked!


I'm wondering what on earth to level in anticipation for a blue mage release. Maybe THM plus either PUG, MRD, or GLD?
#44 Aug 09 2013 at 11:47 AM Rating: Good
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Valkayree wrote:
Hairspray wrote:
Valkayree wrote:
It is so wierd that they don't have thief. Even FF1 had Thief standard.


Yeah I'm waiting for THF, NIN and SAM to come in to FFXIV too... I'm going straight Melee DD this time, so I hope I can get all of those unlocked!


I'm wondering what on earth to level in anticipation for a blue mage release. Maybe THM plus either PUG, MRD, or GLD?


How come nobody ever says they want to play PUP?
#45 Aug 09 2013 at 12:56 PM Rating: Good
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Hairspray wrote:
Valkayree wrote:
Hairspray wrote:
Valkayree wrote:
It is so wierd that they don't have thief. Even FF1 had Thief standard.


Yeah I'm waiting for THF, NIN and SAM to come in to FFXIV too... I'm going straight Melee DD this time, so I hope I can get all of those unlocked!


I'm wondering what on earth to level in anticipation for a blue mage release. Maybe THM plus either PUG, MRD, or GLD?


How come nobody ever says they want to play PUP?


I always say I want to play PUP! Always. I pride myself as one of the 2% of the "Main job PUPs" from the Van'adiel Census.

Interestingly, when Yoshi-P took polls as to what new jobs we would want to see (around 1.8) on of the answers was "A Pet Job, like summoner or puppetmaster." This gave me so much hope for pup, since we already have Mammet's in FFXIV and they are just automatons.

This won the vote overwhelmingly, but I'm sure it was all for summoner, not Pup...
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