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#27 Jul 29 2013 at 4:02 PM Rating: Good
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I think the Egis look fine, but I'd have preferred if they gave us the lesser known summons to use. Like instead of a Ramuh Egi we could've had Quetzalcotl or instead of the Garuda Egi we could have gotten Pandemona or Typhon and so forth.


Actually, it'd be awesome if you could eventually summon all the espers from FF6. Go go Stray Cat!


I think that in the specific case of ffxiv, it makes sense for the egi to be aspects of the primals because of how large a role the primals play in 14's storyline and lore. That having been said, there's plenty of room for more primals in the future (I'm talking to you Yoshi P)!
#28 Jul 29 2013 at 4:07 PM Rating: Good
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Am I missing something, do enlighten me in that case :D


I think the reason we get Egi's is because they represent the "essence" of the "god" and don't actually use any of the "real" power? I wish I remember where I read what I've vaguely paraphrased.
#29 Jul 29 2013 at 5:11 PM Rating: Default
Is it too much too hope that these are placeholder animations? Id rather see a full bodied recreation of the primal, just smaller summon sized. I am not too keen on the amorphous genie look (Will disney file suit over it lol?)
#30 Jul 29 2013 at 5:21 PM Rating: Good
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I don't mind the summon size, it's the AF that bothers me. FFXI SMN AF>FFXIV SMN AF
#31 Jul 29 2013 at 6:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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Looks like summoner will be my other job. Had a summoner in FFXI and while I liked the summons, it never did sit well with me that they were the same as the avatar.


I'm curious, how does a classic FF element not sit well with you? Pretty much every Summoner used the exact summon whether they got it from a crystal or battled them, XI was no exception, even then the avatars of players were already weaker than the actual gods per storyline and per mechanics so they weren't exactly the same.
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#32 Jul 29 2013 at 7:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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Theonehio wrote:
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Looks like summoner will be my other job. Had a summoner in FFXI and while I liked the summons, it never did sit well with me that they were the same as the avatar.


I'm curious, how does a classic FF element not sit well with you? Pretty much every Summoner used the exact summon whether they got it from a crystal or battled them, XI was no exception, even then the avatars of players were already weaker than the actual gods per storyline and per mechanics so they weren't exactly the same.


Pure aesthetic. The avatars should have looked different from the actual gods themselves. It is strictly my opinion on the subject. I just felt the summons should have been an abstract version of the god they were derived from. Thus, I am happy with their looks in this game.
#33 Jul 29 2013 at 10:14 PM Rating: Excellent
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Ehllfire wrote:
Is it too much too hope that these are placeholder animations? Id rather see a full bodied recreation of the primal, just smaller summon sized. I am not too keen on the amorphous genie look (Will disney file suit over it lol?)


There's no way these animations are just place holders. What you've seen in the pictures will be what they will actually look like.
#34 Jul 29 2013 at 11:42 PM Rating: Good
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Looks like Lalas get their own unique combat stance. It almost makes me want to roll one. It looks much better than the other races. It's as if they don't quite know what to do with their free hand. The tubbies look ready to cast some spells. That green hair too.
#35 Jul 30 2013 at 6:44 AM Rating: Decent
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swisa wrote:
Ehllfire wrote:
Is it too much too hope that these are placeholder animations? Id rather see a full bodied recreation of the primal, just smaller summon sized. I am not too keen on the amorphous genie look (Will disney file suit over it lol?)


There's no way these animations are just place holders. What you've seen in the pictures will be what they will actually look like.


PR Teams always use unofficial placeholder photos for their adverts 3 weeks before release. Didn't you know!?
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#36 Jul 30 2013 at 9:07 AM Rating: Excellent
The Titan egi's looking really good, kinda cute actually. I'm not a big fan of the Garuda and Ifrit egis. They look like chickens. Chickens creep me out.
#37 Jul 30 2013 at 9:21 AM Rating: Good
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I have no issues on how the Egis look and I do intend to play Summoner when I play the game. Should be very interesting to see this rendition of Summoner versus FFXI's Summoner.
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#38 Jul 30 2013 at 9:49 AM Rating: Good
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Egi's don't bother me. I actually think Ifrit and Garuda look very cool. I'm still on the fence about Titan, I wish he was a bit more defined other than just a blob with quasi-arms, legs, and a mohawk. I'll probably not be playing smn for quite a while since I already have a list of like 10 classes to take to cap, but the egi's are just fine imo.
#39 Jul 30 2013 at 12:15 PM Rating: Default
swisa wrote:
Ehllfire wrote:
Is it too much too hope that these are placeholder animations? Id rather see a full bodied recreation of the primal, just smaller summon sized. I am not too keen on the amorphous genie look (Will disney file suit over it lol?)


There's no way these animations are just place holders. What you've seen in the pictures will be what they will actually look like.


Well they are god awful ugly. Seriously they look like blobs with what might be a head and maybe arms/tentacles.
#40 Jul 30 2013 at 12:26 PM Rating: Good
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Well they are god awful ugly. Seriously they look like blobs with what might be a head and maybe arms/tentacles.
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Quit downrating my posts which have nothing in them to be worth downrating. It makes you look like a vindictive petty fanboy.


Perhaps if your posts were constructive in any way or brought something meaningful to the discussion, and not just negativity all the time, people wouldn't rate you down?

Also, talking about karma in your sig is a quick way to get rate downs, especially when you make assumptions that anyone downrating you is a "vindictive, petty, fanboy". Just sayin'.
#41 Jul 30 2013 at 2:42 PM Rating: Default
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Well they are god awful ugly. Seriously they look like blobs with what might be a head and maybe arms/tentacles.
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Quit downrating my posts which have nothing in them to be worth downrating. It makes you look like a vindictive petty fanboy.


Perhaps if your posts were constructive in any way or brought something meaningful to the discussion, and not just negativity all the time, people wouldn't rate you down?

Also, talking about karma in your sig is a quick way to get rate downs, especially when you make assumptions that anyone downrating you is a "vindictive, petty, fanboy". Just sayin'.

Constructive? Make better looking summons. I dont know how more constructive I can be, if you want me to design them for SE to use, thats going a bit far.
#42 Jul 30 2013 at 2:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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Ehllfire wrote:
Constructive? Make better looking summons.

That's subjective. Saying "I don't like it" is not constructive.
#43 Jul 30 2013 at 3:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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Ehllfire wrote:
BartelX wrote:
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Well they are god awful ugly. Seriously they look like blobs with what might be a head and maybe arms/tentacles.
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Quit downrating my posts which have nothing in them to be worth downrating. It makes you look like a vindictive petty fanboy.


Perhaps if your posts were constructive in any way or brought something meaningful to the discussion, and not just negativity all the time, people wouldn't rate you down?

Also, talking about karma in your sig is a quick way to get rate downs, especially when you make assumptions that anyone downrating you is a "vindictive, petty, fanboy". Just sayin'.

Constructive? Make better looking summons. I dont know how more constructive I can be, if you want me to design them for SE to use, thats going a bit far.


Yeah, we get it, you don't care about the advice anyone gives you. Welcome to the sub-default world.

OR OR OR.... you can be constructive without being aggressive. A constructive post consists of stating your opinion (note opinion, not what you feel is fact) and doing it in a way that doesn't make you sound like a blubbering buffoon.

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Ehllfire wrote:
Constructive? Make better looking summons.

That's subjective. Saying "I don't like it" is not constructive.


It honestly wasn't really that constructive... better looking, how? I like those models. Better looking doesn't help me imagine what he is thinking. I feel like he is just bashing them to bash them. (That's why he gets rate downs.)
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#44 Jul 30 2013 at 3:29 PM Rating: Decent
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Ehllfire wrote:
BartelX wrote:
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Well they are god awful ugly. Seriously they look like blobs with what might be a head and maybe arms/tentacles.


Perhaps if your posts were constructive in any way or brought something meaningful to the discussion, and not just negativity all the time, people wouldn't rate you down?

Also, talking about karma in your sig is a quick way to get rate downs, especially when you make assumptions that anyone downrating you is a "vindictive, petty, fanboy". Just sayin'.

Constructive? Make better looking summons. I dont know how more constructive I can be, if you want me to design them for SE to use, thats going a bit far.


Criticism doesn't have to be constructive. There is nothing wrong with having an opinion about something; just understand that if that opinion paints FFXIV in a negative light(no matter how warranted you feel it may be or how accurate it is), people are going to pile up on you.

Stilivan wrote:
Yeah, we get it, you don't care about the advice anyone gives you. Welcome to the sub-default world.

Protip: If you just put someone on ignore, it has the same effect as sub-defaulting all of their posts. All of the benefits except whatever pleasure might come from pressing buttons with red arrows on them Smiley: sly

About the only place constructive criticism is helpful would be the official forums in the designated section for feedback, if there is one.
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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#45 Jul 30 2013 at 4:42 PM Rating: Good
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Criticism doesn't have to be constructive. There is nothing wrong with having an opinion about something; just understand that if that opinion paints FFXIV in a negative light(no matter how warranted you feel it may be or how accurate it is), people are going to pile up on you.

People rate up what they want to see more of, and they rate down what they want to see less of. It's really just that simple. It's not some grand conspiracy of fan boys trying to hide "the truth".

Not every opinion is worth expressing. There's enough non-constructive, single line "I don't like this therefore it sucks" posts in existence already.
#46 Jul 30 2013 at 5:25 PM Rating: Good
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Stilivan wrote:
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OR OR OR.... you can be constructive without being aggressive. A constructive post consists of stating your opinion (note opinion, not what you feel is fact) and doing it in a way that doesn't make you sound like a blubbering buffoon.



A lot of folks here, including myself, do this from time to time. The rate downs still happen regardless. People don't rate up or down based on the validity of your opinion, they do it based on whether or not they agree with it. That's not going to change.

On the subject of the summons, I think they look good. While FFXI's were a lot better looking, the size of them caused issues for some people. I'd rather have these "Egis" than shrunken versions of the actual avatar. A 2 foot Garuda would be a disservice to the actual entity. At least the Egi concept does a good job of creating a theme for the summons and presenting in a way that's consistent with their power.
#47 Jul 30 2013 at 6:02 PM Rating: Decent
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svlyons wrote:
FilthMcNasty wrote:
Criticism doesn't have to be constructive. There is nothing wrong with having an opinion about something; just understand that if that opinion paints FFXIV in a negative light(no matter how warranted you feel it may be or how accurate it is), people are going to pile up on you.

People rate up what they want to see more of, and they rate down what they want to see less of. It's really just that simple. It's not some grand conspiracy of fan boys trying to hide "the truth".


I never said there was any conspiracy, but I've personally been bombed in these forums for being critical of the game. Not every time(because some examples are obvious), but most times I either give my personal idea of what would have been better or an example of where it is done better in another game. Even if the criticism is constructive, people here will press the red arrow in defense of the game even when it's not actually defending XIV, just Final Fantasy in general.

svlyons wrote:
There's enough non-constructive, single line "I don't like this therefore it sucks" posts in existence already.


Ehllfire wrote:
Id rather see a full bodied recreation of the primal, just smaller summon sized. I am not too keen on the amorphous genie look


A statement saying what they don't like, why they don't like it and what they would prefer it to be. People can rate up or down in these forums for whatever reason they feel necessary. You can rate down all their posts because they put the E in front of the H for all anyone cares. I just had a poster tell me that their response to my post had absolutely nothing at all to do with what I said in that thread, but the sentiment of another post I had previously made. Press the 'grudge' button. It's whatever...

I'll give them the credit for coming out and saying that they were doing it for the sake of doing it, rather than in response of something I had said then and there. These excuses of not being descriptive enough or constructive enough are pretty lame.



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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#48 Jul 30 2013 at 6:16 PM Rating: Excellent
Man I'm sick of Karma discussions. I think I'll just start locking threads that degenerate to that point, starting with this one.
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