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The problem with this story is the fact that he was arrested at all. Thirteen years ago you never would have seen this happening. Yes what he said was very insensitive and in poor taste, but he should have at most been "talked" to or reccomended for anger management. The First Amendment protects groups like La Raza (The Race in Spanish) when they hold rallies encouraging those of Hispanic heritage that the United States rightfully belongs to them and that they should go "Kill all white people, rape their women, and murder their children". The same was true when the Black Panthers would say similar things during the civil rights movement, and don't even get me started on the KKK. The only differences between this kid and those groups are that he doesn't have an army of lawyers and the resources to actually go through with what he said. A man is judged by his actions, not his words, after all.

He is being made and example of to scare other people into being less likely to use their inalienable right of free speech. Not to mention that it was obviously a sarcastic troll comment. Perhaps if they had some younger people that actually knew what the internet was they could have realized that. If you condone putting him in jail for his word than you condone putting yourself and everyone else there whenever you say something that someone else might not like. This is a very slippery slope and we are no longer anywhere near the top. I'd rather not shoot for the bottom any quicker than I have to, I know what's down there.

Hint: It's King Tryndamere waiting in a bush, only his ult won't wear off until a good portion of your team has died, If it wears off at all.


Also it's worth mentioning the larger implications this case could have. It would be even more fuel for net censorship along with the whole anti-bullying thing.



Edited, Jul 3rd 2013 2:30pm by DamienSScott

The person youre responding to specifically mentioned the arrest as the issue, not Facebook's actions to mute or ban him.

You're confusing the fact that the 1st amendment does not restrict private entities with the idea that if you say something in a private space, the 1st amendment doesn't apply. It actually doesn't matter where the speech occurs, what matters is who is trying to restrict it. The first amendment bars government from restricting speech, though there are numerous exceptions such as "yelling Fire in a crowded theater."

It's far off topic for this forum, but the issue in that case is whether or not government has any grounds to restrict that particular speech, which if taken literally could be interpreted as a threat, but which was also clearly sarcasm.



Edited, Jul 3rd 2013 3:09pm by KarlHungis

Not at all, as the rest of the post you've deliberately censored explained. In public the Freedom of Speech is much more limited than most people allow themselves to believe. Like you mentioned, there are many limitations to the Freedom of Speech, similar to the "fire in crowded" space you mentioned. You can be punished for libel, obscenity, slander, sedition, copyright violations. All the FoS says is that you're free to say something, not free from the responsibility after saying it. It isn't new, though. It's just more public. You could always get arrested for threatening bodily harm on people. You could also be arrested for inciting riots. Fake bomb and fire threats were also always on the books. The only reason it appears new is because people on Facebook, and the internet in general, don't even know the laws that they think protect them and turn them into idiots.

So I have learned from this thread, that using dps as a noun is not in violation of the first amendment. but you must still suffer the consequences like banning and/or jail time.

or the thread derailed and I didn't notice.

You can use dps as a noun, and your getting called an idiot is the consequence.

I'll be the first to admit that I don't know the intricacies of particular laws or law in general like most people (partly why these things are getting the way they are), but if he was to be arrested it should have been for one of those specific things, not a blanket term of terrorism. But I suppose in the war that can never end and can never we won you will need boogie-men from time to time.

They don't go arresting every Husband or Wife that threatens to kill their spouse, even though they would be more likely to follow through with it. And they don't arrest every unsatisfied customer that threatens bodily harm on the person that got their Big Mac order wrong. After the shootings this past year I'm sure the officers were just delighted to jump at the opportunity for some possibly high profile case. The kid is being made an example of.

They still use that term officially in games today. FFXIV does and I think WoW does as well.



This made me lol quite a bit.

Destruction Perpetuation Superhero lol

Dynamic Penetration Stabs.

And I've got a whole bunch of them that are far south of safe for work.

Not every, but they always could. And frankly, maybe someone needs to be made an example of to finally wake all these kids up about what their rights really are. Of course, that's a ridiculous dream and we'll be back on this the next time someone uploads pictures of duct taped pipes and poetry about exploding schools.

Edited, Jul 3rd 2013 3:46pm by lolgaxe

So somehow throwing a nineteen year old kid in jail for an ignorant facebook post is what needed to be done? How about actually talking to the kid... asking if he's serious, give him a psych evaluation, send him to counseling. Nope, months in prison and a 500k bail. Yep, great example.

What's next, chips in our brains that alert the authorities when we get road rage? Or better yet, we could let some weird, creepy pre-cogs foresee when crimes will happen and just arrest people before they even do things a la Minority Report. I mean hey, we gotta make examples out of someone, right?

Edited, Jul 3rd 2013 4:08pm by BartelX

I'm not going to go on too long of a rant about it, but anyone who would even begin to defend that case is the problem with our country right now. You don't deserve your rights if you would willingly have them trampled on.

He was making a joke and he maybe he deserved to be investigated, not jailed. Stand up comedians make worse jokes every day - why should they get a pass but some kid online doesn't when he clearly said "lol jk"?

Just a disgusting story. So disappointed in my country. Justin Carter (the 19-year-old) is on suicide watch after being assaulted by prisoners.

and lolgaxe I usually ignore your posts but you're a disgusting little creature.

Edited, Jul 3rd 2013 4:14pm by Killua125

Killua, I actually completely agree with you for once. Rate-up. Pyriel, I knew he was nineteen, I read the article, it was just a typo because I had been thinking about Damien's comment how thirteen years ago this would never happen. It doesn't matter, a thirteen or nineteen year old shouldn't be thrown in jail for this, at least not unless they were given proper psych evaluations and determined by multiple professionals to be a threat to society. Even then, I'd rather have them in a mental institution hopefully being rehabilitated than be thrown in jail to be tormented, abused, raped, and then finally thrown naked into solitary confinement. It's just so disheartening.