How are you all handling marauder's TP starvation?Follow

In trying to keep the 15 dungeons going at a nice pace, I had a hard time staying above 500 tp. I tried to spend the back half of the fights just autoattacking, but that can be dangerous eventually when things get harder. Even in the ifrit fight, just doing the stdps rotation (Mine went like...Fracture->Heavy Swing->Maim->Heavy Swing->Skull Sunder->Heavy Swing->Skull sunder->Back to Fracture), the TP pool would only last about half way into the fight.

Are you supposed to take breaks from your rotations? Maybe the rotations will fill out with more abilities that cost less TP I guess...
I switched to lancer and the thing almost can't run out of tp XD

Edited, Jun 17th 2013 5:02pm by Wint Lock Thread: This isn't going anywhere good anymore.

I think the Ifrit fight was in the Beta?

I don't understand why you would want to keep your TP above 500, is there a bonus if you do?

Edited, Jun 16th 2013 3:49pm by supermegazeke

Once you get into the higher tier battles, you'll need to focus on making your to last throughout the entire battle and not just spam your skills. This is pretty much what yoshi p was talking about when it gets more complicated when you get past the initial quests and get further into the battle system.

The game stops you from spamming for a few seconds and you think there's a problem.

Love it.

someone kill me... I just rated Killua up even if his tone was a bit rude...

MP management... TP management... welcome to FF

Hmm so it's still relatively slow paced battles as the theme I guess. I'll have to see what it feels like once I get some other non-tp OGCD abilities to fill in the spare time. It doesn't feel right to wait for TP while only doing a single target dps rotation on tank. I can see not being able to spam Overpower in AoE mode, but it feels a little expensive for single target marauder. Game feels like it's on the brink of being able to spam abilities with the proper buffs. Maybe that'll be an advantage of a full party later on.

Coming over from rift where there was no holding back on any role, it feels like a big speed bump. But compared to XI it is a fair bit more occupying.

The general population will not like sitting there with no tp. Other MMO's have tried it. In Rift, for example, the compromise was that you could not go all out by yourself or in a normal party, but with a support job in the raid, you would essentially unlock raid dps/tanking/healing power unobtainable in a light party or solo.

As much as rate down is being used in the topic, we have a lot of FFXI players who like the idea of people exhausting MP and TP. I'm just saying it won't fly that well for the general population to sit there waiting for auto attack to replenish their pools in raid setting, and it's not the most active system in the world to consciously have to wait to do a simple single target dps rotation.

There were specs in Rift capable of outstripping even raid regain, but that was only in the harshest of AoE expenditure.

As a gauge for how slow paced this is, the GCD in rift is 0.75 to 1 second, with about twice the off global cooldown abilities actionable and reactive abilities on top of that.

That's supposedly to give you time to think about your next move, as stated in the direction of the game posts on the beta forum. So long as it's just not to be slow because fast is bad, that's fine. But it doesn't take me 2.5 seconds to think of my next move....especially if my next move is going to be 3 autoattacks.

I don't see the point in conscientious TP conservation, espectially if MP seems to be in unlimited supply.

A quick review of the beta thread titles indicate that at least 3 people think battles are too slow to one who thinks they're too action oriented.
I'm of the persuasion that it is significantly too slow. I cannot imagine the phase 2 beta, when there weren't this "many" ogcd abilities.

In rift, the GCD was 0.75 seconds, and you were popping 1-2 OGCD or reactionary abilities in between each GCD to maximize your effectiveness. Macros would do the grunt work for you, and it was impossible to freehand it was so fast. But the strategy and intelligence came from the order of the macro'ing. Not in the decision on what ability to use next.

I'm not a fan of considering any decision of what ability to use next in this game as "strategy." I'm not seeing anything cerebral here. I do, however, see slow as molasses gameplay by modern comparison.

Maybe raid settings and gear will take that GCD down by half. I hope so.

Edited, Jun 17th 2013 2:00am by benjjjamin

So basically, you don't see the point in battle tactics for DPS classes. That's pretty much what I got from reading this thread. You run out of TP, and instead of learning how to conserve it and use it efficiently, you just bash the game for not being like Rift, where you can constantly spam to your hearts content. I hate to use this saying, but I feel like I have to... if you want the combat to be like Rift, go play Rift. I'm actually excited to get to a point where I'll have to manage my TP effectively. At low levels you can just spam away and never worry about it, so it will be a nice bonus to not be constantly sitting at 1k tp.

Also, I have to ask... have you leveled every class to the beta cap to see if there are cross-class abilities that might help your TP regen? I'm pretty sure lancer has at least a couple that would help you out. Not to mention, we aren't even able to level to 50 yet, and we aren't even able to play jobs (or is it classes, I always get em confused). Who's to say TP regeneration isn't considerably better for jobs? Or maybe even the support jobs will add better TP regen for a party dynamic. We don't know yet.

It just seems like you've condemned the system already without knowing hardly anything about it. And how could you? Most of it isn't even available in-game yet.

Edited, Jun 17th 2013 9:13am by BartelX

Just think of it in terms of WoW, Rift, Diablo 2, or SWTOR (if you've ever played either of those games).

The Paladin/Cleric/Necromancer/Jedi Consular is the class, just like Marauder, Gladiator, or Conjurer in FFXIV.

The Retribution/Cabalist/Bone/Sage aspect is a specialized branch of the above mentioned class, like Warrior, Paladin, or White Mage.

Class = the base of the tree.

Job = the branches of that tree.


Edited, Jun 17th 2013 11:24am by Viertel

Basically, it's poor game design and standards to call this battle tactics. They should design lower output rotations that have net positive tp gain, as well as high output rotations that burn tp. As opposed to...ya know...having the basic marauder rotation bottom out after a minute and a half.

They can easily do better. You can have your "tactics" and still be provided something to do other than sitting there doing nothing on purpose.

Ok, so it's good game design to be able to spam your skills to no end without care whatsoever? Sorry, I disagree. Like I said, maybe if you had actually played some other classes and learned some cross-class skills... like the lancer ability that restores 300tp every 3 minutes, you'd have liked it more. Or maybe if you understood the concept of conservation of resources in a game, you wouldn't have that problem. To me, it just sounds like you don't understand how to manage your abilities well. That's not a fault of the game, it's a fault of the player.

As a marauder, my simple rotation is fracture->heavy swing->maim->heavy swing->skull sunder->heavy swing->skull sunder->Fracture.
That's not spamming by today's standards. You can't run that without emptying the tank. There's no room for other strategy. High TP rotations (net loss TP) and low TP rotations (net gain TP) are much better solutions than what you propose and what's in phase 3.