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#327 Jun 24 2013 at 9:31 AM Rating: Good
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Like I said before, just being FF doesn't carry anything.
Ha, you could put a Final Fantasy logo on a bag of flaming crap and it'll sell 3m, everyone will complain about it, and then buy the next one.


Only if the bag of crap also wields a Buster Sword.
#328 Jun 24 2013 at 9:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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Louiscool wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
FilthMcNasty wrote:
Like I said before, just being FF doesn't carry anything.
Ha, you could put a Final Fantasy logo on a bag of flaming crap and it'll sell 3m, everyone will complain about it, and then buy the next one.


Only if the bag of crap also wields a Buster Sword.


Would we include odd hairstyles as part of this? or effeminate men? those both seem to be a consistency.

Personally, it doesn't even need the Brand Stamp. If it's a pile of crap that so much as warks like a chocobo, it'll sell like hotcakes.
#329 Jun 24 2013 at 10:02 AM Rating: Excellent
Hyrist wrote:
Louiscool wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
FilthMcNasty wrote:
Like I said before, just being FF doesn't carry anything.
Ha, you could put a Final Fantasy logo on a bag of flaming crap and it'll sell 3m, everyone will complain about it, and then buy the next one.


Only if the bag of crap also wields a Buster Sword.


Would we include odd hairstyles as part of this? or effeminate men? those both seem to be a consistency.

Personally, it doesn't even need the Brand Stamp. If it's a pile of crap that so much as warks like a chocobo, it'll sell like hotcakes.


So a flaming bag of crap with a horrible hair cut that likes to sulk and complain about how unfair his life is while killing monsters with a 9 foot sword? 3 million easy...
#330 Jun 24 2013 at 11:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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SkinwalkerAsura wrote:
Hyrist wrote:
Louiscool wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
FilthMcNasty wrote:
Like I said before, just being FF doesn't carry anything.
Ha, you could put a Final Fantasy logo on a bag of flaming crap and it'll sell 3m, everyone will complain about it, and then buy the next one.


Only if the bag of crap also wields a Buster Sword.


Would we include odd hairstyles as part of this? or effeminate men? those both seem to be a consistency.

Personally, it doesn't even need the Brand Stamp. If it's a pile of crap that so much as warks like a chocobo, it'll sell like hotcakes.


So a flaming bag of crap with a horrible hair cut that likes to sulk and complain about how unfair his life is while killing monsters with a 9 foot sword? 3 million easy...


Make it dual-wielding buster swords and I'm sold. Smiley: sly
#331 Jun 24 2013 at 11:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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Make it dual-wielding buster swords and I'm sold.


Make it dual wielded buster gunblades and we have the BEST...GAME...EVER...
#332 Jun 24 2013 at 11:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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Gunblades that shoot buster swords?
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#333 Jun 24 2013 at 12:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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Gunblades that shoot buster swords?
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#334 Jun 24 2013 at 12:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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This thread just got really ****ing awesome.
#335 Jun 24 2013 at 1:45 PM Rating: Excellent
Ok, so we have a flaming bag of crap with a bad haircut that dual wields gunblades that shoot buster swords. He is a sulking rebel that is angry at the world because he is a clone of someone who has died and no one understands him and he doesn't know how to express his feelings constructively. He has a high school love/hate relationship with his female counterpart even though she isn't the hottest female in the party, but she is sweet and spunky. Gentlemen, we may be creating the single most important video game character of all time...
#336 Jun 24 2013 at 1:49 PM Rating: Good
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SkinwalkerAsura wrote:
Ok, so we have a flaming bag of crap with a bad haircut that dual wields gunblades that shoot buster swords. He is a sulking rebel that is angry at the world because he is a clone of someone who has died and no one understands him and he doesn't know how to express his feelings constructively. He has a high school love/hate relationship with his female counterpart even though she isn't the hottest female in the party, but she is sweet and spunky. Gentlemen, we may be creating the single most important video game character of all time...



...can his name be Sqoud? Sounds fitting for a flaming bag of crap... and definitely something I'd want to leave on someone's doorstep.
#337 Jun 24 2013 at 1:53 PM Rating: Excellent
BartelX wrote:
SkinwalkerAsura wrote:
Ok, so we have a flaming bag of crap with a bad haircut that dual wields gunblades that shoot buster swords. He is a sulking rebel that is angry at the world because he is a clone of someone who has died and no one understands him and he doesn't know how to express his feelings constructively. He has a high school love/hate relationship with his female counterpart even though she isn't the hottest female in the party, but she is sweet and spunky. Gentlemen, we may be creating the single most important video game character of all time...



...can his name be Sqoud? Sounds fitting for a flaming bag of crap... and definitely something I'd want to leave on someone's doorstep.


How about Sqoudus? Sounds like a disease you get from drinking dirty water.
#338 Jun 24 2013 at 2:17 PM Rating: Default
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What about XIV makes it stand out from the other MMOs.


The question does have answers, both obvious and subtle, but even I can see it would be wasted on you to try explaining it.


I'll take this response as a "Yes" to a question that isn't yes or no...

I wasn't even asking for a list of things, just one simple answer. Just putting it out there... "nothing" is a valid answer. Because I ask the question, 3 years of butt hurt gets tacked on and people immediately shell up and get defensive for no reason.


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I was fine trash talking 1.0 with you back in the day because it really needed trashing, but leaving all the improvements made since then completely unacknowledged just to drive this impression that most FFXIV players feel like it's the September 2010 release over again and about to riot is incredibly disingenuous. Thread after thread, you're just doing your very best Killua impression these days, and it's dull and predictable at this point.


The negative feedback (not just from myself, but others as well) is a large part of what got us where we are today. ARR is a vast improvement over 1.0 that is promising, but still needs more work done. This isn't about 2010 Xoie. I'm not here to bash or even give feedback about XIV, I'm asking for positive feedback from other people. Not sure whether to laugh because people can't leave the past in the past, or cry because no one can come up with anything better than "The other games don't have 'Final Fantasy' in the title" Smiley: glare
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#339 Jun 24 2013 at 2:30 PM Rating: Excellent
Well, one thig that is almost exclusively unique to ffxiv and ffxi is true cross platform gameplay.

This is a huge plus not just for console gamers, but also pc gamers who own consoles.

The ability for one character to play as all jobs is still very unique, and a concept SE cultivated and stood by.

Dual user interfaces are unique.

Chocobos are unique, and they've been around since WoW players weRe in diapers.

ARR's focus on a strong, single storyline is unique. Other games just don't stack up to what SE brings to the table. Also, SE's courage to tell a strong story rather than develop dozens of weaker stories for players to amble through is a more unique trait these days.

Building the game on a custom, scalable graphics engine is unique.

The traditional FF job presentation is unique.

All the Final Fantasy lore is unique.

Party limit breaks are unique.

Anyway, that should help move things forward. :)
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#340 Jun 24 2013 at 2:42 PM Rating: Good
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Filthy wrote:
The negative feedback (not just from myself, but others as well) is a large part of what got us where we are today. ARR is a vast improvement over 1.0 that is promising, but still needs more work done. This isn't about 2010 Xoie. I'm not here to bash or even give feedback about XIV, I'm asking for positive feedback from other people. Not sure whether to laugh because people can't leave the past in the past, or cry because no one can come up with anything better than "The other games don't have 'Final Fantasy' in the title"


There are 6 pages of positive feedback right here. There are hundreds of pages of it on the beta forums. If you're too lazy to read it or look for it, why should anyone have to hold your hand and explain it for you? Also, it's abundantly clear that you don't really care what other people think, you just want fuel to spit back at them and tell them why they're wrong, so why would people willingly do that? Go read the thread and the beta forums and find your answer. If you don't like things about the game, go post about it in the feedback section of the forums, or post in other threads of people you agree with. It's really not a difficult concept.
#341 Jun 24 2013 at 2:51 PM Rating: Default
Did you honestly expect that a thread labeled "first impressions" would be 100% positive? Then your opinion is that ARR is perfect.

As someone who doesn't really have a very high opinion of the game, it is interesting that some people really are liking it - and I don't blame him at all for wanting to understand why.

I think for most people it just boils down to, "because it's Final Fantasy" (as for why they like it).

Think about it. Have you ever seen anyone write up positive impressions of XIV that didn't start with, "First of all, I'm a hardcore, longtime Final Fantasy fanboy, and etc., etc."?

Edited, Jun 24th 2013 4:55pm by Killua125
#342 Jun 24 2013 at 3:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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Think about it. Have you ever seen anyone write up negative impressions of XIV that didn't start with, "ZOMG TEH GAME IS TEH WOW CLONEZ"?


For once, I agree with you.
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#343 Jun 24 2013 at 3:30 PM Rating: Good
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
What about XIV makes it stand out from the other MMOs.


The question does have answers, both obvious and subtle, but even I can see it would be wasted on you to try explaining it.


I'll take this response as a "Yes" to a question that isn't yes or no...


Even Obvious Troll thinks it's obvious, Filth:

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I think for most people it just boils down to, "because it's Final Fantasy" (as for why they like it).


All FFXIV has to be is a Final Fantasy-themed MMO that's easy to get into (as in, using the basic conventions that people expect MMOs to have these days) and doesn't require you to sacrifice every spare second of your life to make progress in (though you can if you want to). There are people who buy millions of copies of FF titles every year; if you can even get a fraction of them to sign up and stick around, you'll have a successful game that improves over the years, fueled by steady subscriptions.

Tweaking the lighting or the pace of combat is an insignificant problem to deal with by comparison. It's not nearly as big a deal as you're making it out to be considering how simple those things can be adjusted. The basic big things, like the engine and reduced lag, are working. The UI is mostly intuitive, simple and responsive (with separate designs for K&M and game-pads). The land is worth exploring and has character. There are the iconic Final Fantasy creatures you've come to expect in the game. The economy actually has a chance of working properly for once.

Things are looking up way more than they look doomed.
#344 Jun 24 2013 at 3:34 PM Rating: Excellent
Xoie, you're harshing the troll buzz!
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#345 Jun 24 2013 at 3:56 PM Rating: Default
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As someone who doesn't really have a very high opinion of the game, it is interesting that some people really are liking it - and I don't blame him at all for wanting to understand why.


I don't blame people for liking it, I'm just trying to approach it from the perspective of why they would choose it over something else. "You just want reasons people like the game so you can shoot them all down" is somehow a valid response because of an opinion I held 3 years ago apparently. Perhaps I should have just socked a thread asking the same question so I wouldn't carry the stigma of the guy who dared have a different opinion about the precious than a die hard fan.

I don't get why people are so defensive. I asked what I asked and nothing more. For some reason, "What would you say is unique about XIV" translates into "XIV sucks and there is nothing unique about it". I'm not here trying to prove or disprove people's opinions.

As Thayos said, the lore and storyline, chocobo and character models are all unique, but the same is said for any game. Cross-platform and the job system carried over from XI, but it's fair to lump XI and XIV together. What I was really looking for was game mechanics or other similar features that are unique only to XIV(at least in their implementation), like limit breaks.

Edited, Jun 24th 2013 5:58pm by FilthMcNasty
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#346 Jun 24 2013 at 4:07 PM Rating: Decent
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Tweaking the lighting or the pace of combat is an insignificant problem to deal with by comparison. It's not nearly as big a deal as you're making it out to be considering how simple those things can be adjusted. The basic big things, like the engine and reduced lag, are working. The UI is mostly intuitive, simple and responsive (with separate designs for K&M and game-pads). The land is worth exploring and has character. There are the iconic Final Fantasy creatures you've come to expect in the game. The economy actually has a chance of working properly for once.

Things are looking up way more than they look doomed.


I haven't said anything about the pace of combat since SE gave everything had a 4 second GCD. Pretty much anyone who played with that system had the same gripe. My own gripe with the combat system was the lack of reactive abilities or ability modifiers, positioning and group based tactics. I also mentioned in the same breath that I'd wait to make a final judgement until the coming changes were implemented.

I also recall saying(not verbatim, but damn close) that the new UI made me so moist that I started to slide in my chair. I guess people remove the rose-colored lenses so they can selectively read what they want to see whenever I make a post?
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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#347 Jun 24 2013 at 4:11 PM Rating: Good
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Translation: "After I disregard all the reasons for buying the game. I want you to give me a reason to buy the game."
#348 Jun 24 2013 at 4:21 PM Rating: Decent
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
What about XIV makes it stand out from the other MMOs.


I missed the drama, I guess, but I'll answer you with my opinion.

Story For most mmos, story is just the loose context in which you get "teh moar lootz". FFXI was great for story. The end of 1.0's storyline was very good, and what I played of the beta's story (I played all of it) was even better.
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People looking for a true online RPG can find it here, instead of the "Diablo with a 3rd-person camera" that is many other mmos.

Graphics For me, this kept me playing the terrible pre-1.8 FFXIV much longer than I should have. It's one of the best-looking mmos around.

Job System Obviously. 1 name - many classes is my ideal system. No needing to list all your character names to your friends so they can find you, no changing to an alt when you decide to be a total *sshat in a major city shouting obscenities. No repeating that same mindless level 12 story quest again just to level a second class.

Yoshi-P Just Yoshi-P man. He could announce that he is making the next Hello Kitty: Island Adventure game and I'll go pre-order it right now.
#349 Jun 24 2013 at 4:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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Honestly FFXIV 2.0 probably isn't doing any one particular thing to stand out. Nothing is super innovative or anything. There aren't one or two things I can point to and tell you "This is what makes ffxiv awesome!".

What it does do is take much of the best of the 'standard' mmo ingredients together to make a yummy cake and puts a thick layer of delicious Final Fantasy frosting over it all.

I am really enjoying the graphics, story, music, gameplay and that FF feel. I have my gripes but can see myself playing this for a long time as long as the endgame is there (and it should be).

Also, remember we haven't seen the whole thing yet either.
#350 Jun 24 2013 at 5:04 PM Rating: Default
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Yoshi-P Just Yoshi-P man. He could announce that he is making the next Hello Kitty: Island Adventure game and I'll go pre-order it right now.


If you would buy any game just because you like Yoshi-P, doesn't that make your recommendation for ARR pretty much useless?
#351 Jun 24 2013 at 5:14 PM Rating: Excellent
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Killua125 wrote:
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Yoshi-P Just Yoshi-P man. He could announce that he is making the next Hello Kitty: Island Adventure game and I'll go pre-order it right now.


If you would buy any game just because you like Yoshi-P, doesn't that make your recommendation for ARR pretty much useless?


I pretty much love everything Atlus has been releasing for some time now. Because of that I'm a day 1 preorder for the next of any Atlus release. Will my review, unless negative, not be considered viable?
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