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#27 May 20 2013 at 10:28 PM Rating: Default

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I kind of object to Jecht even being in that list.

He's not a villain.

Sure he became Sin, but it wasn't because he wanted to blow things up, and you could even argue that Sin itself isn't inherently evil.

True Jecht was sorta a prisoner of it wasn't he? It's been so long I can't recall all the details.

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#28 May 20 2013 at 10:30 PM Rating: Decent

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Still, in fairness, it was probably the first time the protagonist's father was painted vividly as an antagonist. I'm sure it happened sometime in gaming before that, but it was definitely rare in the fantasy genre, and with the graphics and voice acting conveying his personality, the type of person he was, etc., he is a pretty exemplary antagonist if nothing else.

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#29 May 20 2013 at 10:41 PM Rating: Good

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protagonist's father

X-2 would like a word with that phrase Smiley: wink

I don't know... Jecht is certainly a jerk, but villain? Eh.. I don't know about that.

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#30 May 20 2013 at 10:43 PM Rating: Decent

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Agreed on Jecht not being a villain but he's definitely the antagonist, and that's what the list is mostly based on. The Boss and Tom Nook are also on there Smiley: lol

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#31 May 20 2013 at 10:57 PM Rating: Decent

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Still, in fairness, it was probably the first time the protagonist's father was painted vividly as an antagonist. I'm sure it happened sometime in gaming before that, but it was definitely rare in the fantasy genre, and with the graphics and voice acting conveying his personality, the type of person he was, etc., he is a pretty exemplary antagonist if nothing else.

Kahn from xenogears was the antagonist akin to what jecht was... Just saying.

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#32 May 20 2013 at 11:08 PM Rating: Good

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If anyone here is an earthbound fan, you'll note Giygas made the list... I mean how could he not? His final form was that of a dead fetus from a rape scene which it's creator thought he saw when he was a child.

With that said, you'll note the description of him is wrong... I have to wonder how many of the other bosses that I don't really know in that list are also off base?

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#33 May 20 2013 at 11:24 PM Rating: Decent

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Ostia wrote:

Kachi wrote:

Still, in fairness, it was probably the first time the protagonist's father was painted vividly as an antagonist. I'm sure it happened sometime in gaming before that, but it was definitely rare in the fantasy genre, and with the graphics and voice acting conveying his personality, the type of person he was, etc., he is a pretty exemplary antagonist if nothing else.

Kahn from xenogears was the antagonist akin to what jecht was... Just saying.

As much as I liked Xenogears, and the production quality for its time was quite good, I don't even remember him. Granted the ending was pretty botched, but part of my point was that the realism of the graphics, voice acting, and all of the scenes and references to Jecht as a father really made him come alive as a **** parent.

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If anyone here is an earthbound fan, you'll note Giygas made the list... I mean how could he not? His final form was that of a dead fetus from a rape scene which it's creator thought he saw when he was a child.

With that said, you'll note the description of him is wrong... I have to wonder how many of the other bosses that I don't really know in that list are also off base?

I'm an Earthbound fan--it's a popular theory, but Itoi has never confirmed that Giygas is intended to be the shape of a fetus. It makes sense, especially with the area leading up to him looking like a cervix, and some of the dialogue, but he only confirms that some of the dialogue was inspired by a movie in which he thought he saw a rape scene (it was actually sex followed by a murder).

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#34 May 21 2013 at 12:00 AM Rating: Decent

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Kachi wrote:

Ostia wrote:

Kachi wrote:

Still, in fairness, it was probably the first time the protagonist's father was painted vividly as an antagonist. I'm sure it happened sometime in gaming before that, but it was definitely rare in the fantasy genre, and with the graphics and voice acting conveying his personality, the type of person he was, etc., he is a pretty exemplary antagonist if nothing else.

Kahn from xenogears was the antagonist akin to what jecht was... Just saying.

As much as I liked Xenogears, and the production quality for its time was quite good, I don't even remember him. Granted the ending was pretty botched, but part of my point was that the realism of the graphics, voice acting, and all of the scenes and references to Jecht as a father really made him come alive as a sh*t parent.

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If anyone here is an earthbound fan, you'll note Giygas made the list... I mean how could he not? His final form was that of a dead fetus from a rape scene which it's creator thought he saw when he was a child.

With that said, you'll note the description of him is wrong... I have to wonder how many of the other bosses that I don't really know in that list are also off base?

I'm an Earthbound fan--it's a popular theory, but Itoi has never confirmed that Giygas is intended to be the shape of a fetus. It makes sense, especially with the area leading up to him looking like a cervix, and some of the dialogue, but he only confirms that some of the dialogue was inspired by a movie in which he thought he saw a rape scene (it was actually sex followed by a murder).

Kahn = Wiseman/Grahf I am pretty sure you remember him. Also i hated X with their horrible voice acting, but meh! i kinda liked jecht.

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#35 May 21 2013 at 7:49 AM Rating: Good

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Kahn = Wiseman/Grahf I am pretty sure you remember him. Also i hated X with their horrible voice acting, but meh! i kinda liked jecht.

I thought Grahf was Lacan.

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#36 May 21 2013 at 10:18 AM Rating: Decent

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Kahn = Wiseman/Grahf I am pretty sure you remember him. Also i hated X with their horrible voice acting, but meh! i kinda liked jecht.

I thought Grahf was Lacan.

Grahf was the spirit of lacan, who on his second contact with zohar learned to transmigrate his soul to another body, lacan's body died (Not sure if it died there, or later on) but grahf keept possising body's up until he meet with kahn, karen and fei on their house, to posses fei, but Id awoke and destroyed his body, so grahf possed kahn, fie's father, That is how grahf became fei's father, and was more like fei and Id, 2 personalities in one body.

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#37 May 21 2013 at 10:58 AM Rating: Excellent

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Ostia wrote:

Archmage Callinon wrote:

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Kahn = Wiseman/Grahf I am pretty sure you remember him. Also i hated X with their horrible voice acting, but meh! i kinda liked jecht.

I thought Grahf was Lacan.

Grahf was the spirit of lacan, who on his second contact with zohar learned to transmigrate his soul to another body, lacan's body died (Not sure if it died there, or later on) but grahf keept possising body's up until he meet with kahn, karen and fei on their house, to posses fei, but Id awoke and destroyed his body, so grahf possed kahn, fie's father, That is how grahf became fei's father, and was more like fei and Id, 2 personalities in one body.

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#38 May 21 2013 at 11:03 AM Rating: Decent

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Kachi wrote:

Ostia wrote:

Kachi wrote:

Still, in fairness, it was probably the first time the protagonist's father was painted vividly as an antagonist. I'm sure it happened sometime in gaming before that, but it was definitely rare in the fantasy genre, and with the graphics and voice acting conveying his personality, the type of person he was, etc., he is a pretty exemplary antagonist if nothing else.

Kahn from xenogears was the antagonist akin to what jecht was... Just saying.

As much as I liked Xenogears, and the production quality for its time was quite good, I don't even remember him. Granted the ending was pretty botched, but part of my point was that the realism of the graphics, voice acting, and all of the scenes and references to Jecht as a father really made him come alive as a sh*t parent.

je355804 wrote:

If anyone here is an earthbound fan, you'll note Giygas made the list... I mean how could he not? His final form was that of a dead fetus from a rape scene which it's creator thought he saw when he was a child.

With that said, you'll note the description of him is wrong... I have to wonder how many of the other bosses that I don't really know in that list are also off base?

I'm an Earthbound fan--it's a popular theory, but Itoi has never confirmed that Giygas is intended to be the shape of a fetus. It makes sense, especially with the area leading up to him looking like a cervix, and some of the dialogue, but he only confirms that some of the dialogue was inspired by a movie in which he thought he saw a rape scene (it was actually sex followed by a murder).

I never confirmed that my name starts with JE followed by a series of numbers... That doesn't mean it isn't true Smiley: wink

I think we can all pretty safely say there's definitely a fetus in the background. I think he's even tried to say it's just coincidence, but give me a break... I think they [Nintendo] were mad he did that, and they didn't realize it was there until it was pointed out at a later time. So he tried to back pedal on it.

Yeah and what's interesting about the scene he saw in the theatre, is that it apparently traumatized him so much that his parents were actually scared for his well being for a time. It obviously had a great impact on his life.

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#39 May 21 2013 at 11:15 AM Rating: Decent

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Btw: You can watch the actual game scene here :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9IzC9g_0l4

Xenogears has awesome music :D

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#40 May 21 2013 at 12:02 PM Rating: Good

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I would have put Albedo in that list somewhere.

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#41 May 21 2013 at 1:39 PM Rating: Decent

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Albedo--now THAT is a villain that is hard to forget. The guy cuts off his own head, just to **** with you.

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#42 May 21 2013 at 1:49 PM Rating: Good

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Ostia wrote:

Btw: You can watch the actual game scene here :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9IzC9g_0l4

Xenogears has awesome music :D

It's been quite a while since I last played Xenogears... somehow I didn't remember it being quite so mind-bendingly complicated.

Thanks for clearing that up for me, and yeah the music is awesome

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#43 May 21 2013 at 2:39 PM Rating: Decent

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I vaguely remember the whole exposition about Id and whatnot. I thought it was pretty sloppy story-telling, really. Definitely confusing. I still liked the game, but not for its attempt at Freudian intrigue.

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#44 May 21 2013 at 5:56 PM Rating: Default

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I vaguely remember the whole exposition about Id and whatnot. I thought it was pretty sloppy story-telling, really. Definitely confusing. I still liked the game, but not for its attempt at Freudian intrigue.

Yes we get it kachi, you will find fault at everything lol

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It's not like I'm the only person who felt that way. I loved Xenogears, but that doesn't mean I can't recognize its weaknesses, as well as strengths. It's difficult to improve upon things if you aren't willing to analyze their weaknesses, and it's a skill that is important for me to sharpen.

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#46 May 21 2013 at 9:02 PM Rating: Default

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Kachi wrote:

It's not like I'm the only person who felt that way. I loved Xenogears, but that doesn't mean I can't recognize its weaknesses, as well as strengths. It's difficult to improve upon things if you aren't willing to analyze their weaknesses, and it's a skill that is important for me to sharpen.

It's weakness was Cd2... Had nothing to do with story telling lol

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#47 May 21 2013 at 9:44 PM Rating: Decent

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Your opinion is duly noted.

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#48 May 21 2013 at 9:50 PM Rating: Good

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Ostia wrote:

Kachi wrote:

It's not like I'm the only person who felt that way. I loved Xenogears, but that doesn't mean I can't recognize its weaknesses, as well as strengths. It's difficult to improve upon things if you aren't willing to analyze their weaknesses, and it's a skill that is important for me to sharpen.

It's weakness was Cd2... Had nothing to do with story telling lol

Buddy of mine called it the Semi-interactive Xeno-movie.

I'm betting he was talking primarily about disc 2.

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Archmage Callinon wrote:

Ostia wrote:

Kachi wrote:

It's not like I'm the only person who felt that way. I loved Xenogears, but that doesn't mean I can't recognize its weaknesses, as well as strengths. It's difficult to improve upon things if you aren't willing to analyze their weaknesses, and it's a skill that is important for me to sharpen.

It's weakness was Cd2... Had nothing to do with story telling lol

Buddy of mine called it the Semi-interactive Xeno-movie.

I'm betting he was talking primarily about disc 2.

Yeah he definitely was. AKA the best video game I ever watched lol.

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#50 May 21 2013 at 11:34 PM Rating: Decent

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Archmage Callinon wrote:

Ostia wrote:

Kachi wrote:

It's not like I'm the only person who felt that way. I loved Xenogears, but that doesn't mean I can't recognize its weaknesses, as well as strengths. It's difficult to improve upon things if you aren't willing to analyze their weaknesses, and it's a skill that is important for me to sharpen.

It's weakness was Cd2... Had nothing to do with story telling lol

Buddy of mine called it the Semi-interactive Xeno-movie.

I'm betting he was talking primarily about disc 2.

Yeah he definitely was. AKA the best video game I ever watched lol.

I understand the complaints about disc 2, but only on disc one, you can easily pour 60+ hours. Disk 2 was the way it was, because Square made the decision to take members and resources from xenogears to finish FFVII. Which now we can say "It was the right choice" but it also left us with a semi finished CD2 of Xenogears, and even as that, the game was great, one can only imagine what it could have been... Tsk Tsk!

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