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Nah, probably not across games. The same people try these games, but different people leave versus stay for each particular one. In the middle years of FFXI you would have had to look hard for a player who wished the game would go more friendly and inclusive. It wasn't because all gamers liked Rise of the Zilart and Chains of Promathia's exclusive, punishing workstyle, it was because only one kind of player was left in the game by that time. Playing (surviving?) FFXI very much does say things about me whether I want them to or not. Not all apply, but enough do to explain why I played it so long.

The anti-legacy crowd probably has issues of their own. Some may just be jerks. Some jealous. Some may have fought tooth and nail with game defenders over how badly this game did/didn't stink, and it's still personal. Some may think that ARR is alive only because they called it out for being bad, and the legacy members are part of the problem, still claiming it is good enough. I do know that a lot of legacy members can come off as obstructionist to making this game what the rest of us all think it can be.

I enjoyed Rift thoroughly through Maelforge, but that game was done so well that I can't say it speaks things about me. Me enjoying FFXI and me playing XIV 1.0 way too much certainly tells everyone I'm a FF fanboy.

Never tried sardine, but I did try booger, dirt, and pickle flavored jelly bellies when they put out that Bertie Botts box when HP was all the rage lol

But a single type can be so broad as to mean insistant enough to unlock sky and sea. I would feel badly for ffxi players who made it all the way to ToaU with access to neither, and they were a kind of player that ffxi did not treat well in the mid years. And the devs took a lot of flak for how much ToaU babysat players, so to speak.

I wonder what would have become of ffxi had RoZ and CoP not happened. It and xi players as a group would definitely not be the same.

Edited, May 8th 2013 5:11pm by benjjjamin

Edited, May 8th 2013 5:14pm by benjjjamin

If by "entitled" you mean "the people who are receiving the benefits from SE," then you are correct.

For the fringe segment of non-legacy players who can't stop complaining, the word "entitled" applies to them differently.

Well, to me, the real benefit is the savings on my monthly fee... and it's such a small amount, it's really no big deal... but still, I'll take it.

And I'm not trying to say that non-Legacy players aren't important. What I'm saying is that SE clearly defined the conditions of the Legacy program to ALL players, and only certain players met the conditions to qualify for that Legacy program... so THOSE are the people who are entitled to receive the benefits.

Those who are not entitled to receive the benefits are, well, not really entitled... but a small number of them "feel" entitled.

With ARR in beta, non-Legacy players are on equal footing with Legacy players. Neither group is more important. It's just that several months ago, Legacy players went out of their way to meet certain terms and conditions to qualify for a program called the "Legacy" program.

That's the only difference between Legacy and non-Legacy players. I've seen plenty of non-Legacy players who are as pumped up about ARR as Legacy players, and I've seen plenty of Legacy players who are strongly criticizing the game as much as non-Legacy players.

It's just the small, non-Legacy fringe that is making a lot of noise about this... most people couldn't care less.

The only way their fee will get down to 9.99, Is probably with a yearly payment discount (If they reinstate it again). Doesn't matter if you don't play, they'll get paid.

My issue with the complaints on Legacy is that SE announced it well ahead of time, long enough for someone who really wanted it and cared about it to sign up and qualify. I got emails over a year ago announcing the program, and that was one reason I signed up for the game a year ago in the first place!

It's true. PS3 got straight up hosed throughout this entire ordeal. I won't play on PS3, but it is unfortunate for all those waiting for its released. I wonder how many subscribers have been lost simply due to the amount of time that has passed since those people were excited for the game. I built a computer primarily to be able to play this game, so I'm kind of locked in to at least try it. PS3 users... Not so much.

That's exactly how it all started. Far too many threads claiming their missed opportunity made it OK for SE to extend the offer to them. Some of them had rather "compelling" stories too. It started off well, but I believe the last thread got insta-flamed. "STFU/Not this again," and various rude memes.

The PS3 users didn't spend money or time on FFXIV (Lucky? Unlucky?). So while a part of me wants to say, "yea poor them," I can't (Trying to de program victim culture mindset). I wonder if any PS3 users bought a copy for a cheap price, registered and paid a sub for 90 days? Not like they were required to play. Many PC users did that.

Can't completely fault people for not having an interest in a ****** game. Which is why it was a perk to reward those who were willing and interested enough to dish out the 90 day sub. You also can't blame people for not wanting to waste their money on a 90 sub on faith alone. In the end, I think that's what happened *my opinion*. I wonder how many knew, but just wasn't interested till it was too late?

I bought 10, 000 crysta AND didnt hit legacy status. So not only did SE get a year's worth of cash as an interest free loan from me fir 2 years, I didnt take up any resources AND I have a normal pay rate....
...im in a class all by myself lol...

I got cocky and threw it down during the free launch month. Then billing never happened. Played the whole free period. Then I didnt activate the crysta when the fees started.

But yeah I guess I get a year of no sub fees. Sortof.

See, I have no problem with SE offering discounts for long term subscriptions. Even ZAM does that.