I think ARR will succeed.Follow

Most linkshells full of goal-driven players are not "groups of friends" but rather people who can more or less get along and have similar player goals. As a result, they tend to feel very comfortable excluding people who are not useful towards their goal.

That aside, I agree with most of what you said, although I guess I disagree with your conclusion. It's fine and to a degree inevitable to have a balance which depends upon "matchups." i.e., situationally useful classes/characters. They exist in most strategy and PvP games. However, that matchup balance has to be balanced as well, and in XI, it wasn't. That wasn't something charming about the game--it was a pain in the *** that led to a lot of resentment, and generally, players not having fun.

FFXI wasn't a good example of class balance even considering matchup balance. There were classes which were generally useless, and they weren't well distributed across encounter types. A 25% difference in performance between classes is fine; a 500% difference is not.

Rpg players are a different breed than other gamers. They spend more time with the game. They can’t wait to get up or get home from work or schools so they can continue the story. It like reading a book you just cant put down or that movie you don't want to get up and go to the bathroom, but better because you are playing part of it. But unlike sports titles or COD the experience is over once you finish the RPG.. There is a beginning and a end. In the end you either felt wow this was awsum or I can’t believe I just wasted my time on this crap.

Rpgs are about story. If the story stinks so does the game. You need to feel like you are part of the story; you need to care for the other characters in the game. Story is the most important.

Ok MMO’s are still rpgs but they last a long time and have to fill allot more hours. The filler is what sat a MMO apart from a straigh up rpg. If people put the game down they may not come back. You can’t have constant story all the time. It would be impossible to keep writing a story that people would not finish. Also people play at different speeds. So that where the other elements come in and are basically filler to give the writers and programers more time to write more story lines.

The filler is also the battle mechanics and affects what you do in between the story line or even part of the story. Bad battle mechanics and a game fails...

People complain about grind but that the filler. Some people have lots of time to play and others don’t. Grind is to fill the time of players that have tons of time to play. Grind is fine as long as the reward is high enough. BCNM are filler and the drops low so they become filler etc.

In the end story is important for a rpg but for the MMO it is a combination of story and filler. The story has to be good but the game also needs to be fun too play.








Edited, Mar 7th 2013 9:49am by Nashred

Edited, Mar 7th 2013 9:51am by Nashred

Every game i have been has somewhat the same "ideas" when doing end game content. They find what is the best set up and they go by that. It is true that those set ups are the best and the easiest way to do things but not the only way. Many people that want to call themselves "pro" disregard others that try to do something different. I remember many times in wow or even way before that in l2 that we were half drunk and started forming parties randomly (with me being a healer and a pal as a tank we didn't care for the rest) and aiming for random raids. We had many people laughing at us and well we wiped most of the times but we also had times (when we weren't fully drunk) that we won the fights.

What i am trying to say is that doing it organized with the most effective set up is good, but a little crazy play is not bad. If you don't care if you will wipe its good to challenge yourself and try something different. After all its a game and having fun is what matters.

Therefore especially when i was playing WoW i found 3 kinds of Guilds. I joined all three kinds and enjoyed playing with them.

a) Hardcore end-game guilds. <--Those were the "best" when doing end-game content. They accepted in their ranks only people that had the lvl, gear and experience to fight. Very effective and organized. The bad in them is that they would forbid you to join other raids other than your guilds (if there is a raid limit per day or week) and they also wanted you on in every raid.

b) Semi hardcore end-game guilds <--They usually accept people that again have the lvl somewhat good gear and with some experience with fights. The difference with the "a" guilds is that while they are good at end game and they still have a level of seriousness they are more relaxed with rules and usually ,in the ones i have been, do more "crazy" stuff when bored.

c) Social guilds <--They are the best for leveling. They are easy going to its fullest. They do not care about the end-game and considerate in leveling and exploring the game. Overall they are a fun kind. The problem with them is that if you hit level cap and you want to go further ahead with raids, they are not your people.

So i am betting my non existent gil that this is what will happen in ARR as well when it comes out.

The best guild i found is the "b" or a hybrid of "b" and "c". While the "a" is awesome i become bored cause in all honesty i don't want a second job in game.

That really all depends on what's at stake. For a lot of the endgame content, class exclusion wasn't just common practice, but expected practice. You're not going to spend hours of group farming and then risk it all by using some harebrained configuration. Your group will be upset and resent your leadership. So no, I don't agree that it wasn't much of a problem.

"Increase the group's overall versatility" sounds to me like some pretty positive spin for "level up the right classes so we can win more and get our drops". Are you in politics? I mean, at least during the several years I played, there were linkshell statics for leveling jobs, but they were primarily for mages and tanks. Nobody was ever worried about improving the group's versatility with more DRG's or THF's or PUP's or DRK's etc., etc.,...

Yes that was another problem with them. I 've been pissed off way too many times to ever think of getting in a guild/ls/clan with the same ideas with them. Love end game content but i want a more relaxed approach.

I agree 100 percent...

Also most link shells if they survive people become friends. People that don't feel this way is it is because of their personality. Some people just don't get along with others or are abrasive. .. You see jack --------- everyday in FFXI.. these people seem to jump ls or mostly do pick ups to get there stuff done.

I think one of the problems in FFXI right now is people are just playing with friends. It really is hard to get a new shell, these people have been playing together for years and really don't want new people.. They are used to playing together. My LS has been together forever and are all really close, they are also very mature and no drama. Problem is the two leaders have left the game and this was maybe 1.5 years ago. No one really has stepped up to the plate so less gets done than it used too.
I hate to leave them so I do more statics now.





Edited, Mar 7th 2013 12:30pm by Nashred

Um, no.

Winning has never been a problem for me.

Yes because sephiroth threw a granade blow nibelhelm up and dint even look back..... Jesus christ, have you played FF7 ?

Oh yeah so many differences... Please do tell me 2 of them i'll wait right here for all them 2 differeces between them... Oh and archadia also conscripted soldiers from those kingdoms it invaded. Also you act like 1.0 was not a complete game, it was, it just sucked, also the information on archadia is not even from completing the game, you kill 3 rabtis and it shows up on the bestiary or whatever it was called lol

I wasn't talking about you, specifically, just your assertion that this reflected the normal player mentality in FFXI.

It's a glitch in Zam with the recent update from Firefox. When you use the "quote" button along with reply it double quotes. The issue was brought up with the admins and, last I read that particular thread, they're aware of it and (probably) working on it.

Not fanboing, you're taking so much side story and backstory BS as trying to push up Sephrioth that you ignore the crap that belittled sephiroth too.

First off. Let's break down the accomplishments.

1. Dueling between Angeal and Genesis. All three opponents were holding back in that fight. Evidenced by the fact that Genisis forced Sephiroth to stop holding back himself by ramping up his own combat intensity (And queing his theme). The pecking order was never established between them because Angeal interrupted the fight (twice). As it was plotted that Genisis was essentially Sephiroth's equal until he started to corrode. There are several other instances in which this is indicated as well. It's symbolized entirely by having the opposing 'one wing' to Sephiroth of the same color. So no, that achievement is taken away from Sephrioth. I'm pissed they never made the sequel that was supposed to bring Genisis up as the primary antagonist for a full game - it was planned, then scrapped.

2. Zack's Sephiroth fight. He 'Beat Zack like a whelp' that's equivalent to any main villian beating the crap out of the Heros. You cite Exdeath above Sephrioth, but remember Galuf from FFV beat Exdeath down on his own (giving his life to defend his friends and grandaughter). Sephrioth on the other hand, immeidately got pelted by an emo kid in the back (who then managed to survive a stab wound through the chest to kill him). No such trite weaknesses from Nael. He wipes the floor with an entire party in one non-evaded blow. (and can do so in the actual gameplay with one good combo if you're not paying attention.)

The Rest.
It's been an ongoing debate whether or not this influence, or even Sephiroth's motivations after the point of going mad, are even his own. You claim Darnus to be the puppet of Bahamut, Sephiroth can very well be argued to be the same for Jenova. Every thing he does from the moment he discovers his origins on is an attempted replication of his mother's behavior. Even when he came back in Advent Children, he was still trying to be like 'Mother'.

In fact, if you really dig into it, it's very difficult to tell where the influence of Jenova ends and Sephiroth begins, and vice versa. But that's a discussion for another time. Suffice to say, the very self identity of both characters are muddied by the will of an external source - wherby their accomplishments are demeaned by them.

But there are some historical inaccuracies.

Meteor Meteria finds nearby space bodies and pulls them downward, it does not in fact create them. Therefore Meteor Meteria and Project Meteor are essentially the same, with the difference being that Dalamud was in fact a prison for Bahamut.

Additionally, Weapons were unleashed by the Planet, not by Sephiroth. It was reactionary to the use of Meteor meteria and Sephiroth's interference in the life-stream. The barrier around Northern Crater? Unknown if the origin source is actually Sephiroth or the Planet itself. It's existence was merely a plot device to close a loophole if it was not there.

That's not to say Sephiroth/Jenova (I tend to regard them as one entity) is not a superior villian to Nael Darnus. I'm simply putting Sephiroth as a villian into the proper light and perspective. His story has a lot of complexity that adds to the depth of his character, but tends to lessen his tale as a 'badass'. Then agian, the Villians of Final Fantasy games tend to leave a bit to be desired in the 'badass' department. Any who do wind up being heroes in disguise or victims of circumstance.



Darnus was created to be the catalyst to the Seventh Umbral Era. In that, he not only served his purpose, but played his part well. As a villian, he is derivative from Sephrioth in action, the Judges from XII in appearance, and mixed Kuja and Kefka in demeanor. This combination worked and his impact was memorable for what it was. But even I don't consider him a bonafied badass.

I could analyze the reasons why there's not much badassery in Final Fantasy but I think that's a topic for another time.

Edited, Mar 7th 2013 11:27pm by Hyrist

This is pretty much the most true sentence ever written.

Edited, Mar 7th 2013 11:12pm by Ryklin

Now everyone wants Arise