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Don't ban me I just needed to vent that out!
Consider that your one get out of jail free card, any more beta posts and I'll be banning you. It's quite clear we don't allow talking about the beta here, please play by our rules, thanks! 
Damn it, wasn't fast enough to just read it >_<
Me either 
Kachi wrote:
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Rift, Swotor and GW2 did not release with more content that vanilla wow...
Have you actually played these games? I can't account for Rift, but SWTOR and GW2 definitely released with more content than vanilla WoW. They just didn't pace their content as well.
Interesting... Seems like Kachi himself mentioned VANILLA WOW in fact his claim was that SWTOR & GW2 DEFINITELY released with more content than vanilla WOW.
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Archmage Callinon wrote:
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Vanilla WOW is defined as WOW pre-BC.... Hence Vanilla..... Also battlegrounds where added 2 months later..... LOL! Also EQ was a quest centric game for it's time, just because WOW outdone it, does it not mean that it was not the wow of it's time And yeah those story arcs you mention are present in wow, just different presentation and all, unless you are gonna tell me WOW had no story and GW2 actually had more content than vanill wow lol (Which btw it does not even beats "Launch WOW"
Fair enough, because of your post immediately above that, I assumed you were talking about WoW at launch rather than WoW prior to its first expansion.
In that case though, don't you think you should wait for those other three games to put out expansions so you can do a real comparison? I believe only Rift has done that at this point.
Really the post directly above the one you quoted ? You mean this one ?
Ostia wrote:
GW2 has 9 Dungeons, Vanilla WOW had 29 that is 20 more istances... GW2 Has 0 Raids, Vanilla WOW had 7, that is 7 more raids.... GW2 has 25 Zones, Vanilla WOW had 41 Zones, that is 16 more zones.... GW2 has PVP, WvsW and some other sh*t i never tried, Vanilla WOW had 3 battlegrounds and PVP, GW2 has more content than vanilla WOW on PVP.
Also Everquest had 1200 Quest by the time WOW went into Alpha, by the time Vanilla WOW launched it launched with 2600 Quests.... Seriously doubt that GW2 has more than 2600 quests with an inferior number of zones, dungeons and raids.
Also Everquest had 1200 Quest by the time WOW went into Alpha, by the time Vanilla WOW launched it launched with 2600 Quests.... Seriously doubt that GW2 has more than 2600 quests with an inferior number of zones, dungeons and raids.
I obviously did not state VANILLA WOW enough times apparently.....
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Kachi wrote:
That IS what we were talking about. He's just changing gears as convenient to his argument.
Oh indeed i am the one that uses a term i know nothing off, then complains when a persons call you on it, maybe before talking about things you have no knowledge off, play the game First ? Google ? Because anybody who played WoW from vanilla to any point afterwards knows wtf Vanilla WOW Is.
And last but not least....
Seraphaniim wrote:
Ostia wrote:
Please learn what the term Vanilla WOW means then correct me noob
As other have pointed out, we were assuming you were talking about WoW at launch. Maybe you should consider making your arguments a little more definitive in the future so as to not confuse people?
Edit for prettiness
Edited, Mar 12th 2013 11:42am by Seraphaniim
Do not Assume! READ! If you actually read any of the replies between kachi and myself,(Not just jump in and talk about something you obviously have no idea about) you would have noticed we both used the term "Vanilla WOW" i do not know how much more definitive i have to be, Vanilla WOW is Vanilla WOW just like Pre-Abbyssea is Pre-Abyssea it is not "Released FFXI" is Pre-Abyssea Period.
That was actually Fun! Let's try it agan sometimes Guy's!
#259REDACTED,
Posted: Mar 12 2013 at 4:30 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I read it, it basically said "Me like the direction is going"
Er, it's pretty obvious I was borrowing your use of the terminology because you were the one who made the original assertion. That's a lot of work to say, "The comparisons I was making aren't analogous and the point I was making was wrong, but look at how I got you to use the wrong terminology by using it first!"
So... are we comparing 1.12 WoW with current GW2, SWTOR, and Rift? GW2 was officially release on August 28, 2012, a little more than 6 months ago so let's use that as a basis for comparison, shall we? WoW being released on November 7, 2004 would put our timeline around May 2005 about a month after patch 1.4 hit. WoW still doesn't have battlegrounds at this point since that comes with 1.5 in June. At this point in time WoW still only has the two raids it launched with and only has 17 instances with Maraudon and Dire Maul.
Forgot to add my sources: http://www.wowwiki.com/Patches/1.x
You should try to cite your sources more often, Ostia. Maybe then people might take you just a touch more serious and not assume things.
Edited, Mar 12th 2013 9:20pm by Seraphaniim
Forgot to add my sources: http://www.wowwiki.com/Patches/1.x
You should try to cite your sources more often, Ostia. Maybe then people might take you just a touch more serious and not assume things.
Edited, Mar 12th 2013 9:20pm by Seraphaniim
Trying to pull this back into where all this will be relevant to FFXIV again, especially ARR. Breaks on 1.xx's major construction line was put on fairly quickly after release, so there's no fair basis for comparison to that, and with NDA in place until Phase ... 4? There's no real clear measurement as to how many instanced raids exist in the game.
Though I would suppose even in a fully opened beta there would be no way of making a clear picture, as it'd be rare for an MMO to open the entity of its content to the game in a beta - something of course I don't agree with in my neo-community ideals as far as relationships between developers and players.
Of course, as much of that openness and respect needs to be on the Player's behalf as well. It's that later part is what makes me think such a relationship is impossible. Not without strict moderation.
Though I would suppose even in a fully opened beta there would be no way of making a clear picture, as it'd be rare for an MMO to open the entity of its content to the game in a beta - something of course I don't agree with in my neo-community ideals as far as relationships between developers and players.
Of course, as much of that openness and respect needs to be on the Player's behalf as well. It's that later part is what makes me think such a relationship is impossible. Not without strict moderation.
#263REDACTED,
Posted: Mar 12 2013 at 11:14 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Your new argument is flawed from inception, since release WoW had already outdone EQ and FFXI when it launched in terms of content, and it did not face the troubles that Swotor, Rift or GW2 face today, which is WoW itself and its Legacy. WoW never had the trouble of having to live up to a standard since it created it's own, by breaking the mold of what MMORPGS where up to that point, Swotor, Rift and GW2 have already launched and lost a % of it's player base, WoW launched and it just keept increasing to the number of 10-12 Million Player Base.
Ostia wrote:
You should read the argument two people are having before jumpin in and looking like an Idiot. Check if anything i said about Vanilla WOW was wrong 
Then ask for my sources 
Then ask for my sources You're being more annoying than usual, Ostia. Could you tone it down a bit?
Edited, Mar 13th 2013 8:32am by Louiscool
#265REDACTED,
Posted: Mar 13 2013 at 7:51 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Or ? You gonna cry and QQ that ostia is being mean ? Jajaja Also i dont remember you being involved in this conversation
Ostia wrote:
Louiscool wrote:
Ostia wrote:
You should read the argument two people are having before jumpin in and looking like an Idiot. Check if anything i said about Vanilla WOW was wrong Then ask for my sources
Then ask for my sources You're being more annoying than usual, Ostia. Could you tone it down a bit?
Edited, Mar 13th 2013 8:32am by Louiscool
Or ? You gonna cry and QQ that ostia is being mean ? Jajaja Also i dont remember you being involved in this conversation
Someone **** in your wheaties this morning?
Wint wrote:
Ostia wrote:
Louiscool wrote:
Ostia wrote:
You should read the argument two people are having before jumpin in and looking like an Idiot. Check if anything i said about Vanilla WOW was wrong Then ask for my sources
Then ask for my sources You're being more annoying than usual, Ostia. Could you tone it down a bit?
Edited, Mar 13th 2013 8:32am by Louiscool
Or ? You gonna cry and QQ that ostia is being mean ? Jajaja Also i dont remember you being involved in this conversation
Someone **** in your wheaties this morning?
I loled with this!!
He seems more the Lucky Charms type.
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Ostia wrote:
Or ? You gonna cry and QQ that ostia is being mean ? Jajaja Also i dont remember you being involved in this conversation
I know, but I have to read it, and the sassy-ness is just overpowering.
Ostia wrote:
Your new argument is flawed from inception, since release WoW had already outdone EQ and FFXI when it launched in terms of content, and it did not face the troubles that Swotor, Rift or GW2 face today, which is WoW itself and its Legacy. WoW never had the trouble of having to live up to a standard since it created it's own, by breaking the mold of what MMORPGS where up to that point, Swotor, Rift and GW2 have already launched and lost a % of it's player base, WoW launched and it just keept increasing to the number of 10-12 Million Player Base.
You should read the argument two people are having before jumpin in and looking like an Idiot. Check if anything i said about Vanilla WOW was wrong Then ask for my sources
You should read the argument two people are having before jumpin in and looking like an Idiot. Check if anything i said about Vanilla WOW was wrong
Then ask for my sources Wait, wut? We were talking about Vanilla WoW having more content than GW2, SWTOR, etc. Where did EQ, FFXI, and their player base come in? You claimed that WoW had more content than GW2 but decided to use a broad timeline instead a specific date. When you say something like this:
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GW2 has 9 Dungeons, Vanilla WOW had 29 that is 20 more istances... GW2 Has 0 Raids, Vanilla WOW had 7, that is 7 more raids.... GW2 has 25 Zones, Vanilla WOW had 41 Zones, that is 16 more zones.... GW2 has PVP, WvsW and some other sh*t i never tried, Vanilla WOW had 3 battlegrounds and PVP, GW2 has more content than vanilla WOW on PVP.
Also Everquest had 1200 Quest by the time WOW went into Alpha, by the time Vanilla WOW launched it launched with 2600 Quests.... Seriously doubt that GW2 has more than 2600 quests with an inferior number of zones, dungeons and raids.
Also Everquest had 1200 Quest by the time WOW went into Alpha, by the time Vanilla WOW launched it launched with 2600 Quests.... Seriously doubt that GW2 has more than 2600 quests with an inferior number of zones, dungeons and raids.
What period of time are you talking about, what patch? I don't know why you're getting your feathers fluffed up when all I did was point out patch releases. Sorry for the thread derailing, I was just genuinely curious where those numbers were coming from. Who knew it's cause this kind of train wreck?
Ever get the feeling that the rules for this discussion are changing every time anyone adds actual data?
In the end though, it doesn't matter what quantity of content ARR launches with as long as it's "enough."
"Enough" is a highly subjective term which will be open to individual interpretation. No matter how much content they launch with, for about half of the audience it'll seem overwhelming, and for about the other half of the audience it'll seem like it wasn't nearly enough.
Quantity in this scenario becomes a meaningless measurement. What matters more is that the content on release be enjoyable and repeatable. The content has to last until the first major content patch, wherein we begin the cycle anew up to the first expansion where we start over. This is how MMOs work.
It doesn't matter if FFXIV at launch has 52 instances or 12. It doesn't matter if it has 8700 quests or 1200 quests. It matters that the experience be an enjoyable one and that it's repeatable long enough for them to put out more. Rinse, repeat.
In the end though, it doesn't matter what quantity of content ARR launches with as long as it's "enough."
"Enough" is a highly subjective term which will be open to individual interpretation. No matter how much content they launch with, for about half of the audience it'll seem overwhelming, and for about the other half of the audience it'll seem like it wasn't nearly enough.
Quantity in this scenario becomes a meaningless measurement. What matters more is that the content on release be enjoyable and repeatable. The content has to last until the first major content patch, wherein we begin the cycle anew up to the first expansion where we start over. This is how MMOs work.
It doesn't matter if FFXIV at launch has 52 instances or 12. It doesn't matter if it has 8700 quests or 1200 quests. It matters that the experience be an enjoyable one and that it's repeatable long enough for them to put out more. Rinse, repeat.
svlyons wrote:
If random outcomes aren't acceptable to you, then don't play with random people.
lolgaxe wrote:
He seems more the Lucky Charms type.
Really? I thought this he was a Pops kind of person. You know, turns into crazed demon or panics like crazy because he's 'gotta have his pops'?
#273REDACTED,
Posted: Mar 13 2013 at 2:28 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Do you suffer from a learning disorder ? Are you unable to Read ? Or Comprehend ? Vanilla WoW is Pre-BC as in all content introduced into the game before the official release of The Burning Crusade.... That is what Vanilla WOW means just like Pre-Abyssea mans all content up to the point where Abyssea was release, is not a hard concept at all to understand, i fail to see why you are having such trouble, the term has been in use for years and Years.
lolgaxe wrote:
He seems more the Lucky Charms type.
You know i actually tried those once, did not like them :( I am more of a regular cornflakes guy, you know the one with the rooster(Is that how is spelled ?)
Kellogg's Corn Flakes, is what you're looking for I believe.
I think I get it now. GW2 is like pre-Abyssea WoW if I put all of my apples in a basket. Since apples aren't in season where I live I don't think I'll have very much content so I think your analogy needs work. What if I gathered a couple pine cones and stored those away, will I have 2500 more quests than what EQ had?
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