ps4 after all?Follow

If you have a lot of consoles or other TV peripherals, really, get a media pre-amp/receiver. You can get ones with a half-dozen HDMI inputs for cheap ($100-$200 range), or more (Okyo has a relatively cheap 8 HDMI port receiver, IIRC), with component inputs (for your Wii) and composite (for your older systems), as well as cable/antenna inputs. If you're serious enough about gaming that you have a lot of systems and are considering a PS4, why are you using your TV's speakers? You don't need 7.1 speakers to use a 7.1 system--use whatever you have or can afford.

Even if you only have a pair of bookshelf speakers (which is what I have right now), it's a massive improvement over TV audio (and my Sony Bravia has decent integrated speakers), and you have the freedom to run an XBox 360, PS3, PS4, separate DVD player over HDMI, Wii U, and next-gen Xbox simultaneously over HDMI, with a Wii, PS2, PS1, Gamecube, Nintendo 64 all plugged in simultaneously through component and composite (and audio devices over optical).

This (which I don't have) is only $240. You can probably find others, used or new, for even cheaper.

That said, yeah, it sucks your PS3 purchases won't transfer. I like simplicity.

I don't think you're being unreasonable at all. Re purchasing things you already own is a no no. I think your grievances are valid, but are solved easily and inexpensively. You brought up the hdmi issue as a counter to someone's solution, "keep your ps3 hooked up and you can play it still." I am guessing here, but it seems like you're fishing for a reason not to get ps4. Like you're tempted to get it, but now you have the reason not to. Now, I'm not saying that because I'm getting it at launch that you must also, but for every issue I see people complain about, I see a simple solution.

My ps1, ps2 and wii are sitting one foot away from their successors. My wii is hooked up using component, ps2 using composite and 360, ps3 and wii u take up 3 of my TV's 4 hdmi slots. My 4th slot has a splitter to share between my fios tv and my pc incase I want to play FFXIV on the 60" and relax. It actually set up so perfectly that I have 2 spare screens that never get any use lol....(From me anyway. When friends come over, I have screens that they all can play MVC3 Street Fighter etc on).

Ok, forget the hdmi thing. Then that brings us back to the, "well if you want to play ps3 games, keep your ps3." No one is expecting you to repurchase them. However, didn't nintendo actually set up their system that way? You have to re buy all your old content for a reduced price (I think it's 1 dollar for games you already own). I'm guessing that there is some cost added to transfer old content over. A cost we are not willing to pay, (600 dollars) but we still want convenience of having it built into consoles. I'm going to keep my ps3 set up, and If I want to play a PS3 game, I'll just turn on my ps3 and play all my purchases. (All the ps1 final fantasy titles I own as well.)

You said you're getting a final Fantasy X Itch. That's ONE game out of the thousands of games in the ps2 library. I also had that problem last year in February. I got the collectors edition of FFXII when it came out but I really wanted to play it last year again. I used my own advice and popped it in my ps2. OMG... it looked like ****!!! Just a huge screen of muddy squares. I laughed, but I was irritated lol. I could either A) Buy a component cable for ps2 or B) Use a ps2 emulator. I set it up on my pc and ran it at 1200p. It was awesome lol. I REALLY wanted to play.

I'm buying a ps4 to play ps4 games. Not ps1 or ps2 games. I'll go as far as to assume that most of us don't even replay to completion. (I know I've quit playing after my itch was scratched.) Now I'm not saying you do that all the time, but I can be almost certain that you've all replayed a game just for nostalgia and quit halfway and was satisfied. Out of all the ps2 games, I only replayed my favorites, Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix, Final Fantasy XII and Marvel vs Capcom 2. I can hardly expect Sony to make that possible for me when there are so many other options available. I love the age we live in now. The technology and the freedom to find ways to realize our desires. That's why It's not a big deal to me, that it's not natively backwards compatible. It's going to be awhile before we're able to emulate the ps3 and 360 though, which is why I suggest holding on to your old systems.

As for you not buying it at launch, it's quite acceptable because they won't have the quality game library that you are comfortable with. The other so called negatives just seem slightly nit picky. When ps2 started this backwards compatibility trend, they set themselves up lol. They're damned either way, with an over priced console, or a backwards compatibility system that doesn't please everyone. Remember when super nintendo came out and all you could think about was playing regular nintendo games on it? :) Didn't think so. That is unreasonable, because the costs of development. It's hard watching some of these complaints because they are ignorant of how things work outside of what they want. I want a reasonably priced machine that does "many cool things." One of those cool things shouldn't be playing OLD games. That was cool when ps2 launched. Not so much anymore. It has been proven, that allowing backwards compatibility increases costs. You're actually paying for the ps3 again technically (or part of it), when you already own one.(which is your complaint o_o) It's just like nintendo wii u's repurchase your old, already owned titles for 1 dollar lol. I hope next xbox keeps the cost down too by not emphasizing on backwards.

For the first point, developers aren't making games for specific hardware. They develop using API's that take that out of the equation entirely, so whether or not an individual PC can run a game isn't really relevant to the developer. They design something and release a guideline for minimum specs\recommended specs and that's the end of it. It's always been up to hardware manufacturers to build things within a reasonable set of guidelines so that my Nvidia GTX 550ti is going to be able to run Skyrim, albeit not as efficiently or on as high of settings as someone else's Nvidia GTX 680. The onus is on the builders\PC owners to make sure that the hardware they have meets the minimum requirements. Yes, a console takes a lot of thinking out of our hands as users, but it's been argued ad naseum that as a productivity tool and a practical platform for competitive gameplay, it falls far short of the mark.

That's not to say I think they should go the way of the dodo; quite the contrary, I enjoy a little bit of mindless controller action in New Vegas every now and again. But let's not act like somehow developing for PC has such a massive cost to developers when it's consoles that tend toward proprietary APIs (I'm looking at you, Ps3) and are much more limiting in what can be done with them. Looks like Sony has finally recognized that and will be changing their ways. Super good move on their part.

As to the second part of your post, what I meant by lifecycle was its reasonable expectation to sell a cartridge\disc\whatever. If it's something you can only get at Gamestop, it's outlived its lifecycle and chances are, the console it was designed for is no longer supported either. Now, I didn't say a word about supporting them if they make the effort to port such titles to something like, say, Playstation Network. Awesome idea, and worth another five dollar investment for nostalgia's sake. But how many times should they get to charge for it? That's the question, and that's my problem.

There's two kinds of people in this argument, it seems. Those who would like to just buy what we like and have access to it whenever because the purchase entitled us to download to the console, and those who want everything to be like netflix. There's really no reason the two models can't thrive side-by-side, but forcing multiple purchases when folks have already been building their PSN libraries goes beyond reasonable reimbursement for offering an emulated version of a game. Guys reverse engineer that **** in their basements and release it on the internet for free. It seems to me that Sony would go a lot farther in convincing people to upgrade to a Ps4 if they weren't telling people they would lose the digital content they bought on the Ps3. We're not talking physical discs here, you know.

I can find a used atari on amazon for 45 dollars. I can also find a Magnavox Odyssey 2 for 65 dollars. (I picked the oldest system to prove a point) I wonder if atari/odessey sold more than nes/snes/genisis/saturn/CD/dreamcast/n64/ps1/xbox/ps3/xbox/ps2/wii/game cube. I have found a used version of all the systems listed. All of them are around 50 and at most 65 dollars (obviously except current gen). Now, you're just fishing up more reasons to validate your legitimate complaint, sir. You not being able to find a used one? Highly unlikely. It took me 4 minutes to find all of them, one of them being close to 40 years old...Actually suggesting that you may not be able to find a ps3 one day is dishonest. No one *really* cares about atari anymore and you can still find one, reasonably cheaply for it's age/availability.

Just to be clear, I have nothing against you. My contention is, "If you want to play a game for an old console, take out your old console. My question to you is, "Is what I suggest that unreasonable?" Sony and Microsoft, unlike nintendo lets you re download games once you've purchased. When your Wii broke, you had to go through nintendo to prove that you owned XYZ in order for you to get them again without the nightmare of re purchasing. Games are locked to console. I'm not sure if it's an issue anymore as I only owned 4 games for the wii. (2 of them being zelda :D) Replacing your console to get your purchases is a non issue. Immature statements inc: Maybe this isn't your real argument either? Please share with me the bigger picture, or is this just an argument in convenience. If M$/Sony released a 1000 dollar console that did it all including making toast, I'd be all for it b/c of how awesome it is. You'll still find that article that stirs people up by suggesting how appalling it is that it doesn't make coffee too. "What are we supposed to drink while we eat this delicious toast!"

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Edited, Feb 22nd 2013 4:17pm by GDLYL

God are you an Idiot! There is no legitimate excuse for them not to carry over what you bought in the PSN store, unless they wanna milk you for your money again, and the excuse that games are locked to consoles is the stupidest idea i have read in a while, since the start of this gen, games have not been locked to consoles, that has been one of the main selling points (And money makers) for all 3 consoles, if this was the ps2/xbox era then you might have had a point, but the companies themselves threw the notion that games where locked to X or Y console out of the window, to make lots of moneys.

What believable excuse can they even offer really ?

For the record, 360s also sold for a loss although not as big a hit as PS3 took. The only thing RRoD cost me was the two weeks I was without my console. I never paid a dime to have it replaced.

I'm not sure what shocks me more; the fact that people thought their old titles would translate from PS3 to PS4 with ease or the fact that people are upset about having a console taking up a foot of space and having to press their TV/Video button one more time? The only valid beef people could have other than that is not being able to play old games with a more comfortable(looking at least) controller...

I hate to gloat(who the hell am I kidding) but I pointed out ages ago that the timing of PS4 was going to bunch panties and it did. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to find the thread I posted about this from two years ago, pat myself on the back and send a tweet to Tanaka congratulating him on a most epic troll

FWIW - **** toast. The only way I pay a grand for a PS4 is if it comes with a 40W lightbulb that makes real happycakes, a lifetime supply of frosting packets and a custom stand that looks like this...

If I am a troll, you are an intellectually dishonest coward. All your arguments were addressed by me without me attacking you. You made one excuse after the next. I DO understand where you're coming from. You just feel entitled. I would love for ps4 to do ps3/4 capabilities. The cost however, would be unappealing. If YOU can't grasp that then please, excuse yourself. Where are you getting ps3 losing support soon? Sony supported ps2 for 13 years concluding it's life cycle just last year. Did you forget Sony said they'd support ps3 for 10 years? The same claim they made for ps2. (just in case some clever person tries to assert that just b/c they say it, doesn't mean it's going to happen) You sir are trying to prove your point by claiming falsehoods, and I'm the troll? Everything I typed, I knew, but I took 1 minute to verify it on the internet, because a little more info never hurt.

First you claim that you don't want to re purchase games- No one is asking you to because you can still play them on your ps3.

You claim you need the extra Hdmi space the ps3 would take up- I suggested an hdmi splitter for that problem. You already owned one making this claim a lie. You then asked to forget the hdmi claim.

You then tried to argue that you will not be able to access your purchases if your ps3 breaks and you may not be able to find a used one if sony stops production- I was able to find the first console ever build on amazon for 65 dollars. That console is nearly 40 years old.

We all know that the ps2/3 are hard to code for because sony used their proprietary tech. They said in the ps4 reveal that they are using something more familiar. We've seen the bad ports between the xbox and ps3 over and over. Would it be a safe 'assumption,' that the hardware might prevent that? It's the same PSN, but different hardware. That even if your purchases are tied to our account, the hardware may not be able to run them? I have no idea, and neither do you. You are just typing entitlements ignorantly and using dishonesty to validate your claims. It frightens me that someone with your intellectual ethics is an admin.



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Hmm keyboard acting up.

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Having made a few purchases on PSN, the PS4 announcement has me a little raw too. However, if they go the direction of offering the entire PSN library on the PS4 for a reasonable monthly fee, it may be a real devil's bargain. I'm not entirely sure how I'd feel about a deal like that, but the implications are intriguing.

Trolling was a bit strong of a wording, I apologize if I offended you.

I still stand by my original "entitlement" that I should be able to play this software on the PS4. They have it working on the PS3 and the Vita, why can't I have it on the PS4 as well? It honestly makes me leery of buying anything else from them digitally, I did so assuming that because it was in a digital format it would be more portable to new platforms than physical copies. This is my fault for making that assumption, especially in light of their dropped support for the PS2 in later versions of the PS3. It's disappointing because everything I've heard about the PS4 is very encouraging, I'm also excited there is a new Final Fantasy in the works for the new platform but I don't have enough disposable income to buy a console for a single game. My existing purchase history would be enough to convince me to buy a PS4 knowing that it could replace my PS3 in my living room rather than supplement it. I think they're making a mistake here, and I know I'm not the only one who feels this way.

Apology accepted. I also apologize for my harsh words. Water under the bridge.

I truly do understand how you feel, and to some degree I agree wholeheartedly with you. I have a penchant of letting my rational side take over, which doesn't necessarily make me 'right,' just understanding,, regardless of how I feel. The part about the ps4 replacing your ps3 I will concede to because it's a very reasonable expectation. I was also excited about the trolling S-E did lol. (Please be versus XIII). To be honest with you, they should just make another expensive console and just add everything. That's just me though. I'd like my cake and I'll probably pay to eat it too. Then again 550 isn't that much cheaper than last gen lol....

As other's have suggested, I hope the gaikai streaming turns out just as incredible as it sounded.

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The issue here is that these games were adapted to run on PS3 hardware. Whether or not your purchase was connected to your PSN account makes no difference. Making the necessary changes to allow the games to run on PS4 is going to take time and money. Do you really expect Sony or the developers of these games to do that without expecting something in return?

When you put in place a system that allows you to develop, produce and distribute games and content minus the costs normally associated with production (box, manual and disc) as well as shipping physical product, you can afford to sell your console for less than the cost of production. It's pretty much the same idea behind games being free to play. You give the client away or sacrifice subscriber income on the basis that more people will be exposed to your product and the money comes on the back end through DLC, customized options, ect ect.


It isn't apples to oranges. I can't tell if you're seriously that ignorant or if you're trolling yourself. The argument you just made for PSN works almost perfectly in my example, but not yours...

If I went right now and installed FFXI: RotZ on any of the platforms(although I think 360 came with later expansion) it would update the client to the most current expansion out regardless of whether or not I used that specific disc or bundle to install it. For that reason, all they would need to do is allow you to download the client if you currently have an active account. If you have an active account then it's obvious you at least purchased RotZ and your account status dictates the expansion content you are allowed access to.