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After 1.0, nothing is safe to assume with SE anymore.

Some people are just resigned to bashing SE in every breath they have, without objectively looking at things being done. It's all good. To some extent SE deserves it after the 1.0 debacle, but anyone who says there is nothing promising about 2.0 is just trolling here.

This is exactly how I feel as well. It's Yoshi-P, not SE that I trust.

I'll white knight the **** out of Yoshi-P, he's made good on every. single. promise. He's worked so hard with the community, polled us on every major change, listened and delivered as best as he could. When a complaint is raised, there's a dev response most of the time on the official forums, even if it isn't what the community wanted to hear. (Relic Weapons, RNG, and Imperial Attack Hats seemed to be the most often critiques that the devs said they could not or would not change until 2.0)

Ostia, we've had this discussion many times. It's not SE that destroyed the chemistry, it's the splitting of the development teams.

See: Hiroyuki Ito, Yoshinori Kitase.

I know you're trying to troll, but look closer at the credits of Final Fantasy V, VI, VII, and VIII next time. 'Kay?

It was after VIII when they started to split up the teams in order to get production on the games done quicker. That also split up the talent so we have a mashup between linear games with all story and open-world Ivalices with hardly any story. Not to mention we had big man Sakaguchi at the ultimate helm who would make sure everything is meshed well at the end in the SNES/PS1 era. The people I mentioned who are at the helms just want to make sure they followed their vision no matter what their players thought. (See: FFX/XIII)

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But anyway, back on topic. FFXIV didn't suffer because of S-E in the name. S-E may have screwed up things by rushing it, but in the end the production team was too confident and ARR humbled them quite a bit. You can't roll off pieces off crap, stick FF on it, and we'll accept it with open arms. We looked up to the series for its legendary status of delivering us a quality experience even if we're divided on the aspects of what we liked about it. All XIV 1.0 had running for it was the promise of a rebuilt game, and we're seeing a fruit of those promises.



Edited, Jan 8th 2013 8:54am by UltKnightGrover

How long did you play and when did you start playing? I started in April 2012 and loved it. I could see some stuff that needed tweaking but overall I liked it a lot. I don't think however, anyone playing from year one would agree that the last few months make up for 1.5 years of horrible game play. That's what I'm getting anyway.

Did kitase worked on FF1-2-3-4 ? Parasite Eve ? Xenogears ? Final Fantasy Tactics ? Vagrant Story ? Secret of Mana ? Final Fantasy XII ?

I'll give you VI for that is my all time favorite Final Fantasy Game. And even then he was following Sakaguchis Script. Look at the games kitase has made on his own post sakaguchi.... Failures in the story line department, FFXIII is horrid. XIII2 even more so, i want XIII3 to come out just to see what crazy excuse for plot he comes up with this time around.

FFVII was not a kitase/ito work it was a kitase/ito/nomura work... The game was the game it was not only because of the timing of its release, but the choices nomura made specifically. But as you noted, who was the man leading them ? The man with the vision ? Sakaguchi. Is sakaguchi still on Square-Enix ? Hmm he is not Huh ? Have all this problems risen after his departure ? I believe so.. I mean for how bad the writing in VIII was, we still look at it as an "Ok" game. Unlike how most people see XIII and XIII-2 (XII was on the works before sakaguchi and yazmat left and even then you can feel the absolute WTF in that game with their departure.)

You cannot take a vital part of a team out and still expect the team to function as if nothing happened, wada is not replacement for sakaguchi, he is just not, we can dice it as differently as we want, but SE is not Square, nor does it produce the same type of results, you can blame that ito and kitase are not teaming up, but back in square day's they where not the sole saviors of Square. There where plenty of other IP's that where successful and had nothing to do with ito or kitase working together.

These kinds of arguments make me want to

I'm sure they get some variety at least. I've seen this argument so many times my eyes are bleeding.

^ This.

As far as 'flood'. We had a new alpha video every week alpha was out for eight weeks straight. That Flood Indeed.

Fatigue system was what I meant.

Many forget that the game had a SOFTWARE MOUSE too...

Of all the stupid idiotic things you can do, they emulated the ****ing mouse, causing the appearance of mouse lag...